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From damaged pride to prosperity
John Lloyd
November 29, 2006 02:58 PM

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/john_lloyd/2006/11/post_724.html

Let us speculate on a less murky part of the Russian state than the possible poisoners of the FSB. We know that, among the other movements, trends and influences which are pushing Russia this way and that, the following are of great importance.

First, business is booming. It is not the case that Russia relies only on the very high price of oil and gas for its present prosperity - though that is part of the story. The other part is that small- and medium-sized businesses are now growing everywhere, not just in Moscow. The relative prosperity of the country over the past few years - essentially, the Putin years - has stimulated sectors, which in the 90s, despite much official encouragement, were relatively stagnant. Now, under a more authoritarian government, business blossoms.

Second, the government is much, much more authoritarian. No major TV channel now dares to broadcast critics of the administration. Newspapers are freer, but few are now prepared to take on the government frontally and most of the important ones are in the hands of friends of the Kremlin. The only relatively free sector of the media is the Internet - but for how long?

Third, this is not back to the USSR. Authoritarian government is not a dictatorship; a strengthening of the Kremlin is not a party state. Though Anna Politkovskaya suffered death for her courage (as have other, less prominent, journalists), and Yevgenia Albats lost her job, others - more or less openly opposed to the administration - continue to write, speak, meet and protest. This now carries real risks, but the space still exists. As Dmitri Furman of the Russian Academy of Sciences Institute of Europe put it in a recent interview, "yes, we're being pushed into the kitchen again - but this kitchen is so much bigger than the one we used to have. The network of liberal dissent is powerful. It is really beginning to realise how hopeless the existing regime is."

Fourth, the problems facing Russia are vast - and towering above all of them is the health and size of its population. Alcohol and Aids are decimating (especially) the adult male population, keeping the mortality age in the 50s, a poor third world figure. The population numbers are falling very fast, shrinking the country out of the north, the far east and Siberia back into European Russia. It is not impossible that the new relative prosperity of the country might address these problems, but it has not yet.

Fifth, the administration is very popular. The past two decades have been for most of what were the Soviet peoples, profoundly disturbing at best, murderous often. Only the three small Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are making, even have made, a successful transition to democracy and a market economy. Elsewhere, tyrannies, whether soft or hard, are the norm in Central Asia; wars, whether present or presently suspended, the norm in the Caucasus; an exhausted peace amid the ruins, the norm in Chechnya. In the three Slav states, there is semi-dictatorship in Belarus, a struggle for power amid corruption in Ukraine and authoritarianism in Russia.

In these circumstances, people vote for strength and look for enemies - some of which are real. Putin's administration has brought, or benefited from, a measure of prosperity; has talked of re-establishing a Russian sphere of influence; has whacked the Chechen terrorists and is now venomously opposed to the Georgian administration of Mikheil Saakashvili. Most Russians approve of all of this. Georgians are being fired from jobs in Moscow - including, I was told recently, from a liberal thinktank. Albats lost her job in part because of popular pressure. Dark-skinned (Caucasian-looking) people are often set upon by citizens.

In these circumstances, the trend of coverage in Russia of the murder of Alexander Litvinenko - that western media speculation of the Kremlin's hand in the affair is a deliberate provocation - falls on receptive ears. It cannot be stressed too much how humiliated Russians have felt in the past two decades by the precipitous fall from power and influence of their state, and by its internal chaos. An administration which restores some of its pride will be a popular one. Litvinenko's martyrdom does not travel well east.


In bed with Russophobes


The Litvinenko murder is being used by neocons in their campaign against Putin's national revival

Neil Clark
Monday December 4, 2006
The Guardian


Three weeks on, we are still no closer to knowing who was responsible for the death of the former Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko. The use of polonium 210 as a murder weapon could point in entirely opposite directions. It might suggest that the killing was carried out on behalf of the Russian security service as a public warning to others who might think of betraying it. But it could also be read as an attempt by President Putin's rich and powerful enemies to discredit the Russian government internationally. Whatever the truth, it has been seized upon across Europe and the US to fuel a growing anti-Russian campaign.

There are certainly grounds for criticising the Russian government from a progressive perspective. Putin has introduced a flat-rate income tax, which greatly benefits the wealthy, and plans the partial marketisation of Russia's education and health systems. He has pursued a bloody campaign of repression in Chechnya. And while some of Russia's oligarchs have been bought to justice, others remain free to flaunt their dubiously acquired wealth, in a country where the gap between rich and poor has become chasmic.

Even so, those on the centre-left who have joined the current wave of Putin-bashing ought to consider whose cause they are serving. Long before the deaths of Litvinenko and the campaigning journalist Anna Politkovskaya, Russophobes in the US and their allies in Britain were doing all they could to discredit Putin's administration. These rightwing hawks are gunning for Putin not because of concern for human rights but because an independent Russia stands in the way of their plans for global hegemony. The neoconservative grand strategy was recorded in the leaked Wolfowitz memorandum, a secret 1990s Pentagon document that targeted Russia as the biggest future threat to US geostrategic ambitions and projected a US-Russian confrontation over Nato expansion.

Even though Putin has acquiesced in the expansion of American influence in former Soviet republics, the limited steps the Russian president has taken to defend his country's interests have proved too much for Washington's empire builders. In 2003, Bruce P Jackson, the director of the Project for a New American Century, wrote that Putin's partial renationalisation of energy companies threatened the west's "democratic objectives" - and claimed Putin had established a "de facto cold war administration". Jackson's prognosis was simple: a new "soft war" against the Kremlin, a call to arms that has been enthusiastically followed in both the US and Britain.

Every measure Putin has taken has been portrayed by the Russophobes as the work of a sinister totalitarian. Gazprom's decision to start charging Ukraine the going rate for its gas last winter was presented as a threat to the future of western Europe. And while western interference in elections in Ukraine, Georgia and other ex-Soviet republics has been justified on grounds of spreading democracy, any Russian involvement in the affairs of its neighbours has been spun as an attempt to recreate the "evil empire". As part of their strategy, Washington's hawks have been busy promoting Chechen separatism in furtherance of their anti-Putin campaign, as well as championing some of Russia's most notorious oligarchs.

In the absence of genuine evidence of Russian state involvement in the killings of Litvinenko and Politkovskaya, we should be wary about jumping on a bandwagon orchestrated by the people who bought death and destruction to the streets of Baghdad, and whose aim is to neuter any counterweight to the most powerful empire ever seen.

And what you think about murder of Letvinenko?
 
I didnt know it was proven to be a murder yet. I know thats the most likely case but you state it if that is what happened for sure...
 
I think Putin wouldn't be this STUPID to just take him out like this, especially with the whole murdered journalist business. It was either someone else who either a) Didn't like the Letvinenko guy b) Wanted to make Putin look bad, or it could have been a desperate suicide.
 
He wasn't assassinated; he just happened to stumble upon one of the rarest elements on earth, which just happened to be lethal only when inhaled and ingested.

Nothing to see here people. Move along...move along..
 
I didnt know it was proven to be a murder yet. I know thats the most likely case but you state it if that is what happened for sure...
Cambot said:
He wasn't assassinated; he just happened to stumble upon one of the rarest elements on earth, which just happened to be lethal only when inhaled and ingested.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

And you thought you only had to watch out for the puffer fish at the Sushi Bar.

Seriously, Xanik, considering that, although Polonium has some industrial uses, it has no business being in a Sushi Bar (where the current evidence indicates he was poisoned), the odds of his death being accidental are vanishingly small.

Garric raises a better point: there are so many equally-effective ways to murder someone that don't require so much effort and point a finger to some one / some organization with the resources to carry it out. I wouldn't exonerate Putin. I think he's certainly capable of having someone killed, but if he was behind this, it was an exceedingly stupid way to go about it. And Putin isn't known for such stupidity. (Well, okay, sometimes he's stupid.)
 
I just heard the amount of Polonium in Litvenko was worth about 30 million dollars.
 
Bright day
How about: Putin ordered it, and he had it done so obviously to send "message"- you don't go aganist родина and get to walk away. The homeland being of course Putin. ?

I don't know. But I think the russian theories about Litvinienko smuggling polonium to chechen terrorists does not ring true.
 
Bright day
How about: Putin ordered it, and he had it done so obviously to send "message"- you don't go aganist родина and get to walk away. The homeland being of course Putin?
A "good" assassination should be one where everyone "knows" you did it (maximum intimidation factor), but no one can prove you did it (maximum deniability). Gunning down a journalist critical of the administration is a reasonably good example: lots of guns around, lots of crime, anyone could have done it; maybe, just maybe, she was the victim of a random murder. (Yeah, right! :rolleyes: )

Using a difficult to acquire, expensive, hard-to-deliver radioactive poison is not. The methodology automatically eliminates vast numbers of potential perpetrators and points the finger at a comparatively small circle of people, very few of whom would have a motive . . . . It's just a very dumb way to leave fingerprints all over the crime scene, or a very elaborate frame up.

(Although again, for a frame up, there are easier ways to do it, and frame ups are inherently risky and prone to backfire in the worst way: too many people need to be in on a secret like this, and if even one of them breaks or is caught, you achieve the exact opposite of your goal.)

I don't know. But I think the russian theories about Litvinienko smuggling polonium to chechen terrorists does not ring true.
Yeah, that would be a real stretch. I can think of many better uses (even for a terrorist) for the money that would be involved in such an operation. This would make no sense whatsoever.
 
I just heard the amount of Polonium in Litvenko was worth about 30 million dollars.
Source, please? I tried doing some sourcing myself, and find this hard to believe. one presumably reliable source places the cost of a gram at US$2 million, and the amount needed for this poisoning would be an infinitesimal fraction of that. (That is according to a recent Wall Street Journal column, which I don't think allows linking, you'll just have to take my word on that.)
 
I don't see why what happens diplomatically to Russia is a big problem for Putin; who is going to challenge him, and what could they do? The answers are nobody and nothing.
 
A "good" assassination should be one where everyone "knows" you did it (maximum intimidation factor), but no one can prove you did it (maximum deniability). Gunning down a journalist critical of the administration is a reasonably good example: lots of guns around, lots of crime, anyone could have done it; maybe, just maybe, she was the victim of a random murder. (Yeah, right! :rolleyes: )

Using a difficult to acquire, expensive, hard-to-deliver radioactive poison is not. The methodology automatically eliminates vast numbers of potential perpetrators and points the finger at a comparatively small circle of people, very few of whom would have a motive . . . . It's just a very dumb way to leave fingerprints all over the crime scene, or a very elaborate frame up.

(Although again, for a frame up, there are easier ways to do it, and frame ups are inherently risky and prone to backfire in the worst way: too many people need to be in on a secret like this, and if even one of them breaks or is caught, you achieve the exact opposite of your goal.)

Yeah, that would be a real stretch. I can think of many better uses (even for a terrorist) for the money that would be involved in such an operation. This would make no sense whatsoever.


I agree this is very suspicious, it's impossible with the knowledge we have to draw conclusions. ATM I'm leaning towards conspiracy but not that far. Putin could of course be an idiot, or those he employed to carry this out could be. Intelligence can sometimes be an oxymoron. In this case it could be a frame up, I've said that before and I'm still backing a slim chance it is. But who really knows?

Ultimatley it's an act that was bound to lead to widespread condemnation, was this worth the outlay? Who knows, depends who dun it? Was it Proffesser Putin in the library? Or his adversaries within the government in the lounge? It's kinda like playing Cluedo at the moment, no one can really make a correct guess with the evidence at hand. But we may get lucky?
 
Anybody that thinks Putin is behind this is questioning the judgment of America's Commander-in-Chief during a time of war. This only emboldens America's enemies.
George W. Bush said:
I looked the man (Putin) in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul. He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship.
 
Have you ever heard about that guys:
www.unitednuclear.com ?

They seem to worry about their business and try to defend the good reputation of Polonium :nuke: with statements like:
"In addition, there are dozens of other far more toxic materials, such as Ricin and Abrin, both of which can easily be made, and are also undetectable as a poison and untraceable."

Regarding the costs of a lethal dose:
"You would need about 15,000 of our Polonium-210 needle sources at a total cost of about $1 million - to have a toxic amount."
Though I'm sure they would allow you a considerable discount on your order of 15,000 needles, and a FBI observation for free.
 
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