U.S. Presidential Election 2024 Part II: 象対ロバ

[Theov]

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(for the record, Biden is 81)

yeah - thanks for telling me Biden should've retired 25 years ago.

 

[innonimatu]

Dude, I've seen like an hour of footage of January 6. It's mostly people wandering around the Capitol building with police escorts. No guns. The only people who were killed were the trespassers. There's a documentary on Jacob Chansey, the Q Shaman guy, that includes a LOT of footage the Pravda media didn't show because it's not exciting. The same media, by the way, that on last Saturday were saying that Trump fell, that there were loud noises, etc -- not that he was shot. I stopped watching those corporate shills during the Iraq aftermath when I realized they were hand in glove with the military-industrial complex.

Tell ya what, in 2029 you can quote me again after Trump leaves office peacefully and there's been absolutely nothing happened besides more dumbassery in re: Iran and China, and perhaps some new dumbassery in re: Israel.

I think that the military-industrial complex is now quite uneasy with the politics of the current US government. Losing wars and having wonder weapons demostrated innefective does not win customers. Plus they don't need wars to keep seelling overpriced crap, they just needes business as usual. Bombing shepperd's wedding in some poor country. Not fighting any serious adversary.

The democrat's unholly alliance has been with the security state and the "foreign policy think thank" crowd, not the MIC. They're not quite the same even if they did converge in the past. Part of the reason why the democrats are going down and likely to stay down a long time is that their adventures have been very bad for business. On top of that big finance (and asset managers) are unhappy with the adventures too. Some oligarchs got goaded into investing in Ukraine and are now writing off their investment and hoped-for profits. The dollar's future is getting shaky and trade is increasingly bypassing US financial firms as the sanction-mania blew back on the US and Europe. With mafioso-type people this begets payback.

 

[Theov]

Surely somebody close to Biden was already well aware of his mental state and knew that he wouldn't be able to function as president, well ahead of the debate. I mean, is his mental decline a new thing that's suddenly gotten a lot worse? No way, I bet they've been hiding it as best as they could. This should have all been handled better.

You seriously didn't see anything about it in the last 3 years?
It was completely obvious to many people that Biden wasn't all there anymore.

 

[Zardnaar]

Surely somebody close to Biden was already well aware of his mental state and knew that he wouldn't be able to function as president, well ahead of the debate. I mean, is his mental decline a new thing that's suddenly gotten a lot worse? No way, I bet they've been hiding it as best as they could. This should have all been handled better.

Polling.

 

[BenitoChavez]

Polling.

Speaking of which! A comparison of polls between Biden vs Trump and the new presumptive nominee, Kamala Harris vs Trump:

Basically Harris is ever so slightly ahead of Biden's numbers but still behind Trump. It's difficult to see how Harris moves the needle. On the plus side she's younger, was already a part of the Biden administration, and there's a few months to hopefully convince some people that she's a better choice. On the flip side Trump has this inexplicable quality that people are attracted to for some reason and people seem tired of Biden 2.0.

 

[Zardnaar]

Speaking of which! A comparison of polls between Biden vs Trump and the new presumptive nominee, Kamala Harris vs Trump:

Basically Harris is ever so slightly ahead of Biden's numbers but still behind Trump. It's difficult to see how Harris moves the needle. On the plus side she's younger, was already a part of the Biden administration, and there's a few months to hopefully convince some people that she's a better choice. On the flip side Trump has this inexplicable quality that people are attracted to for some reason and people seem tired of Biden 2.0.

Lol watched that 30 minutes ago.

 

[Theov]

 

[Zardnaar]

The meme that keeps giving

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Dude, I've seen like an hour of footage of January 6. It's mostly people wandering around the Capitol building with police escorts. No guns. The only people who were killed were the trespassers.

Video: Day of Rage: How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol | Visual Investigations

By the way, there were 138 officers (73 Capitol Police and 65 Metropolitan Police) injured, of whom 15 were hospitalized. Muist have been severe paper-cuts, right?

My mind changed because I saw things

Lets see if that holds true here.

Yeaah, I think you're confusing the FBI goonie boys in the crowd with Trump.

Oh right, it was Antifa and the FBI. Not Trump supporters.

He told them to go home.

After enjoying the show for 3 hours.

 

[Gorbles]

Yeaah, I think you're confusing the FBI goonie boys in the crowd with Trump. He told them to go home. But look, I've been interneting for 25 years at this point. I know no one has ever changed their opinions on an internet argument.

Interesting way to make a politicised claim in defense of you calling the opinions of others "histrionics", and then fall back on "well nobody is ever going to change their minds". That includes you, right?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Here's what the last decade of US politics has been from my prespective. It's like one of them HBO series which got drawn out because of it's early success.

Season 1 was pretty good. (2014-2016) Hillary vs Donald. And had a surprise cliffhanger ending where the imbicile beat the harpy.
Season 2 was Donald's show. The dramatic 4 years of a narcistic imbicile in over his head trying to run a country and everything goes tits up.
Season 3 the presidential race in with a pandemic side story where the imbicile gets soundly beaten. Jan 6th was the big finale. After this the imbicile is finished, showed his true colors and there is no way this guy would ever get near politics again.

This should be the "And they lived happily ever after" ending.

But no ... the show was a success, so the writers were forced to write more seasons.
Season 4. The trials of the Donald.
Season 5. The return of the Imbicile.
Season 6 ....

By this time the audience is rolling their eyes. Yeah, sure, the election denier, sexual assaulter, convicted felon is in the race to be America president again. Surely the American public can't be that stupid after the 2016-2020 trainwreck, after not accepting the result of the 2020 election, after jan 6 2021. Jeez, this series really has lost the plot and is just circeling the drain

 

[Smellincoffee]

Oh right, it was Antifa and the FBI. Not Trump supporters.

A few people egging on the crowd to do something stupid, as crowds are wont to do, yes. If 'antifa' had been involved there would be actual violence, given their penchant for arson and violence.

Interesting way to make a politicised claim in defense of you calling the opinions of others "histrionics", and then fall back on "well nobody is ever going to change their minds". That includes you, right?

My mind has changed slowly over the course of twenty years, and done so in a fairly public way: via the book reviews I post. One can go back to 2007 and see me reading Al Franken polemics, scoot forward to college where I'm reading Marx and Emma Goldman, right after college where I'm reading Seeing like a State and Gandhi (who led me to embracing the nonaggression principle), then reading all over the place (Rand, Kirk, Schumacher) after my progressive worldivew had been disrupted by moral and economic issues, not to mention the Dems embracing foreign intervention whole-heartedly during Obama's administration. What has not changed my mind is arguing with strangers on the internet, especially those who don't think six+ years of calling Trump hitler count as histrionic.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

A few people egging on the crowd to do something stupid, as crowds are wont to do, yes.

Like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers?

If 'antifa' had been involved there would be actual violence, given their penchant for arson and violence.

There was actual violence.

 

[aelf]

A few people egging on the crowd to do something stupid, as crowds are wont to do, yes. If 'antifa' had been involved there would be actual violence, given their penchant for arson and violence.


My mind has changed slowly over the course of twenty years, and done so in a fairly public way: via the book reviews I post. One can go back to 2007 and see me reading Al Franken polemics, scoot forward to college where I'm reading Marx and Emma Goldman, right after college where I'm reading Seeing like a State and Gandhi (who led me to embracing the nonaggression principle), then reading all over the place (Rand, Kirk, Schumacher) after my progressive worldivew had been disrupted by moral and economic issues, not to mention the Dems embracing foreign intervention whole-heartedly during Obama's administration. What has not changed my mind is arguing with strangers on the internet, especially those who don't think six+ years of calling Trump hitler count as histrionic.

I gotta admire your confidence. How many people would show themselves again in the same thread after being taken down like that.

 

[Smellincoffee]

I gotta admire your gumption. How many people would show themselves again in the same thread after being so humiliated.

Why would internet strangers disagreeing with me be humiliating? Taking the internet took seriously is a game I stopped playing fifteen years ago.

Like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers?


There was actual violence.

Nothing on the level of antifa, and nothing to merit the continued obsession with it. The state and its agents does more violence against innocents any day of the week than happened on January 6.

 

[Gorbles]

What has not changed my mind is arguing with strangers on the internet, especially those who don't think six+ years of calling Trump hitler count as histrionic.

I'm sure it hasn't, because you're evidently so enamoured with your opinion-as-fact that it precludes the possibility of a discussion. With that in mind, there really isn't much point me continuing, especially when your own histrionics go ignored and with a complete lack of introspection. The boogeyman of "antifa" included

I'm a live and let live kinda guy when it comes down to online discussions (99% of the time; I have a couple of red lines just like everyone does). Everyone has their thing that they value more (or less) than other things. But to say "other peoples' things are them being melodramatic while mine are grounded in an evidenced and therefore implied-as-objective kind of way" is to try and have it both ways. Simply calling people melodramatic isn't good enough, despite your understandable desire to not engage in tangents. But at the same time, if you don't want tangents, don't make unevidenced claims and expect people to not reply?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Nothing on the level of antifa, and nothing to merit the continued obsession with it. The state and its agents does more violence against innocents any day of the week than happened on January 6.

There was actual violence. Period. If you don't think so, don't take my word for it, watch Day of Rage.

You don't think a mob storming the Capitol where elections were cerified was a big deal. I do. Because I watched the whole thing when it unfolded live. And because of the footage I posted. Which you're not going to watch, because that would mean changing your opinion.

 

[aelf]

Why would internet strangers disagreeing with me be humiliating? Taking the internet took seriously is a game I stopped playing fifteen years ago.

It's not about the internet. It could've happened in real life, like at your nephew's birthday party with you as the old uncle with the funny politics.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Lmao "and then left" ... "left"...and went where? To go try and overthrow the government, to install himself as authoritarian, that's where...

EDIT: Not to mention that he's CURRENTLY RUNNING for POTUS... he didn't leave at all...

His moaning and groaning aside, Trump left the presidency at the appointed time. Ergo, he was not a dictator. Though I'm sure he would've liked to have been.
What are you quibbling about?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

His moaning and groaning aside, Trump left the presidency at the appointed time. Ergo, he was not a dictator. Though I'm sure he would've liked to have been.
What are you quibbling about?

"Though I'm sure he would've liked to have been"

That's worth "quibbling" about isn't it?