US airforce increasingly obsolete warn Generals

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Air Force officials are warning that unless their budget is increased dramatically, and soon, the military's high-flying branch won't dominate the skies as it has for decades.

An F-16 returns from a mission in this 2004 photo. F-16s are on average more than 20 years old.

After more than seven years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Air Force's aging jet fighters, bombers, cargo aircraft and gunships are at the breaking point, they say, and expensive, ultramodern replacements are needed fast.

"What we've done is put the requirement on the table that says, 'If we're going to do the missions you're going to ask us to do, it will require this kind of investment,"' Maj. Gen. Paul Selva, the Air Force's director of strategic planning, said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"Failing that, we take what is already a geriatric Air Force," Selva said, "and we drive it for another 20 years into an area of uncertainty."

An extra $20 billion each year over the next five -- beginning with an Air Force budget of about $137 billion in 2009 instead of the $117 billion proposed by the Bush administration -- would solve that problem, according to Selva and other senior Air Force officers.


Yet the prospects for huge infusions of cash seem dim. Congress is expected to boost the 2009 budget, but not to the level urged by the Air Force. In the years that follow, a possible recession, a rising federal deficit and a distaste for higher taxes all portend a decline in defense spending regardless of which party wins the White House in November.

"The Air Force is going to be confronting a major procurement crisis because it can't buy all the things that it absolutely needs," said Dov Zakheim, a former Pentagon comptroller. "It's going to force us to rethink, yet again, what is the strategy we want? What can we give up?"

Expensive taste

The Air Force's distress is partly self-inflicted, says Steve Kosiak of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington. The F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning, the new jet fighters that will supplant the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Falcon, have drastically higher price tags than their predecessors and require a bigger chunk of the defense budget.

"One of the reasons their equipment has aged so much is because they continue to move ahead with the development and presumed acquisition of new weapon systems that cost two to three times as much as the systems they are replacing," Kosiak said. "It's like replacing a Toyota with a Mercedes."

It's not as if the Air Force has gone without any new airplanes. The B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, the C-17 Globemaster airlifter and the CV-22 tilt-rotor, which flies like a helicopter or an airplane, have all been added since the mid-1990s.

The Air Force also is planning to spend between $30 billion and $40 billion over the next 15 years for new refueling tankers. A contract is expected to be awarded soon. Those new tankers, however, won't be flying until 2013.

The Air Force isn't alone in wanting more money, but its appetite is far greater than the other military branches. Shortly after President Bush submitted his defense plan for the 2009 budget year, which begins October 1, each service outlined for Congress what it felt was left out. The Air Force's "wish list" totaled $18.8 billion, almost twice as much as the other three services combined.


"There's no justification for it. Period. End of story," said Gordon Adams, a former Clinton administration budget official who specializes in defense issues. "Until someone constrains these budget requests, the hunger for more will charge ahead unchecked."

Excessive flying hours

Current F-15s and F-16s are on average more than 20 years old and have reached a point where spending more money on extensive repairs is a poor investment, Selva said. Originally designed to last 4,000 flying hours, both have been extended beyond 8,000.

An F-15 with a comparatively low 5,000 flying hours disintegrated during a routine training flight over Missouri in early November. For the Air Force, that crash has become a touchstone event that demonstrates the precarious state of a fleet collectively older than any in the service's 60-year history.

Following the Missouri accident, more than 400 F-15s were grounded as Air Force mechanics scoured them for defects that might cause a similar accident. The F-15, a twin-engine jet with a top speed of 1,875 miles per hour, is the anchor of the nation's air defense network.

As aircraft age, corrosion eats away at metal parts. Wiring and sealing begin to deteriorate. The fatigue, which can be hard to detect, is most acute in fighters that make turns while going at incredible speeds.

"An hour is not an hour" to an aircraft constantly under the strain of G-forces, Gen. John D.W. Corley, head of Air Combat Command at Langley Air Force Base, Va., said at a news conference last month. "It's like dog years."

The more an aircraft is flown, the more expensive and more extensive maintenance becomes, Corley and Gen. T. Michael Moseley, the Air Force chief of staff, told the House Appropriations defense subcommittee during a February 6 hearing.

The bottom line, the generals said, is older aircraft are in the shop more often and cost more to fly when they are available.

Patchwork of planes

It's not just the fighters that are elderly.

Selva, who graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1980, said he remembers hearing about the first flight of the mammoth C-5 transport when he was in first grade. B-52 bombers and KC-135 tankers, which refuel airplanes in flight, have been in the inventory for more than four decades.

And mechanics are finding it difficult to keep rust off the A-10 Thunderbolt, a tank-killing plane now a quarter-century old.

"If you want to accept that today we're doing an adequate job with this sort of patchwork of airplanes, when are we no longer able to do an adequate job?" Selva asked. "What's the next thing that's going to happen?"

Each F-22 Raptor costs about $160 million. The Air Force says it needs 381 of the radar-evading planes and is fighting to keep the production line from being shut down too soon.

"We have never rolled off of the requirement to field 381 F-22s," Selva said. "The real issue at play with the F-22 is when the line closes, it's closed. Restarting the line will be unreasonably expensive."

The price for a single F-35 Lightning is $77 million, and the Air Force wants close to 1,800 of these fighters. The F-35 won't be in use for several more years.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said only 183 Raptors are needed. The more Raptors the Air Force buys, Gates said during congressional testimony earlier this month, the less money it will have for the F-35 and other aircraft. About 100 F-22s have been fielded. That aircraft has not been used in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gates added.

The Air Force says the Raptors are needed for future threats, with China, Russia and Iran at the top of the list.


"Al Qaeda doesn't exactly have an advanced aerial defense system," said Maj. David Small, an Air Force spokesman.


The public push for more Raptors prompted Gates to rebuke a top Air Force officer, Gen. Bruce Carlson, who said last week that the service remained committed to buying 381 of the aircraft. In a Friday statement, Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne said the general's remarks did not reflect the Air Force's position. But the statement did not say the service is backing away from its goal of 381 Raptors.

Aircraft on the front lines in the terror war are also facing challenges.

Officials at Air Force Special Operations Command say it will become increasingly hard to keep two key aircraft flying: The MC-130H Combat Talon II, used to drop commandos into hostile territory and then retrieve them, and the AC-130U, a hulking gunship that flies low to deliver firepower, are both in need of substantial overhauls.

"We are literally flying the wings off these two airplanes," said Brig. Gen. Brad Heithold, director of the command's plans, programs, requirements and assessments office at Hurlburt Field, Florida.

There are only 20 Combat Talons and 17 AC-130Us. This small fleet is in heavy demand by special operations forces around the globe. In 2001, the AC-130Us flew just over 5,200 hours. The gunships logged more than 9,000 hours in 2007. It's comparable, Heithold said, to putting 70,000 miles on a car in a single year instead of a more normal 12,000 miles.

At any given time, several of the Combat Talons or AC-130Us could be in the depot being fixed. That means there are fewer available to fly critical missions. Training flights are also curtailed.

Heithold called the situation a "manageable crisis," but said serious problems could emerge if more money isn't provided for extended improvements and new aircraft over the next few years.

"Any time you have a small number of airplanes that the appetite for continually increases, it's hard to meet the demand," Heithold said. "If we don't wrestle with this now, it's a looming problem out there."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/18/airforce.wornout.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

So is this really such a problem? I mean other countries have been working with as old if not even older aircrafts. Hell lots of countries still us mig-21's such as India for instance. So is this really necessary?
 
Nevertheless, why do Americans need F-22's? It was designed as air superiority fighter in the last years of Cold war. Since the US is probably not going to face an enemy with anything resembling a real airforce, I wonder why the generals want them.

The same goes for the insane number of heavy bombers.
 
I thought this was an Onion article when I saw the title. If the US is spending all that money on an 'obsolete' air force then they should just call it a day and ask Canada to protect their airspace.
 
The question is, why does the US need a superior airforce than our current one? I'd rather that money be spent on American infrastructure to make our industrial capabilities more flexible rather than maximal. This way, if we are ever faced with a equally powerful airforce, we can quickly shift our production to produce what we need. Instead of being prepared for all possible enemies, we can conserve resources and mobilize against real enemies when we need to.
 
hmmm... surprised. I though air power was the one branch of the US military which had an unassailable lead on the rest of the world.
 
The Air Force says the Raptors are needed for future threats, with China, Russia and Iran at the top of the list.

paranoid androids..

the USA is capable to take on any airforce anytime.
 
Nothing succeeds like success I guess. To the point where there's such a thing as too much success:D

The US Airforce is so darn awsome they are starting to have a problem, not having any real competition to justify more money and more gadgets.:lol:
 
Lets them pour away any chance of economic recovery, enchanted by "ooh shiney!"
 
Too many combat aircraft to few logistical aircraft. It was also the same with the US Navy. (too much of the budget is spent on combat ships and too little on transports and logistic ships)
 
It would definately be unwise for the US to skimp on research and development, and to stop updating and producing new generations of aircraft. But the pace of this is debateable, and the size of the manufacturing runs as well.

At this point it would seem the US is single-handedly driving the tech-race. Everyone else is reasonably far behind, but for the US there's no such thing as far behind enough it seems?

That's otoh where US scenarios for future conflicts where all the whizz-bang units are supposed to be used start to look more like Buck Rogers than reasonable threat assesments.
 
It would definately be unwise for the US to skimp on research and development, and to stop updating and producing new generations of aircraft. But the pace of this is debateable, and the size of the manufacturing runs as well.

At this point it would seem the US is single-handedly driving the tech-race. Everyone else is reasonably far behind, but for the US there's no such thing as far behind enough it seems?

That's otoh where US scenarios for future conflicts where all the whizz-bang units are supposed to be used start to look more like Buck Rogers than reasonable threat assesments.

You aint seen nothing yet. My prediction? In about 20 years, none of our combat aircraft will have pilots in them anymore. The current UAV craze will ultimately achieve this and it will be the 'wave of the future'.
 
The question is, why does the US need a superior airforce than our current one? I'd rather that money be spent on American infrastructure to make our industrial capabilities more flexible rather than maximal. This way, if we are ever faced with a equally powerful airforce, we can quickly shift our production to produce what we need. Instead of being prepared for all possible enemies, we can conserve resources and mobilize against real enemies when we need to.

It is the absolute lack of understanding of modern military development and procurement above that makes me weap for the future :cry:

Too many combat aircraft to few logistical aircraft. It was also the same with the US Navy. (too much of the budget is spent on combat ships and too little on transports and logistic ships)

False on both counts. In the Navy, we spend too little on all ships, and of the money spent to much money on logistics ships (it is a well known and documented problem).

The airforce is fine. 20 year old aircraft means nothing out of context, the context being most countries are flying 50-60 year old aircraft or newer airframes that are still inferior to our 20 year old aircraft (THE SHAME!). I will take a 1981 Ferrarri over your 2008 Cavelier any day ;)

Follow the current procurement schedule and we will be fine. Honestlu, withe F-22 taking over the fighter role and the F-35 taking over the multirole role I don't see what they are talking about as far as the USAF laking new and superior weapons. The C-17 is relatively new in the transport role, they just got a new tanker, the B-52s just went through another upgrade. What else do they want?

And no, we do not have too many heavy bombers. Track the numbers, we have something like 5% of what we had in the 50-60 and it has been steadily declining ever since then.
 
You aint seen nothing yet. My prediction? In about 20 years, none of our combat aircraft will have pilots in them anymore. The current UAV craze will ultimately achieve this and it will be the 'wave of the future'.
I'm waiting on the T-1 Battlefield Robots. Any predictions on them or Skynet?
 
Nevertheless, why do Americans need F-22's? It was designed as air superiority fighter in the last years of Cold war. Since the US is probably not going to face an enemy with anything resembling a real airforce, I wonder why the generals want them.

The same goes for the insane number of heavy bombers.

The Air Force does not exist solely for the purpose of blowing up the other guy's Air Force. A powerful, efficient Air Force is absolutely necessary for any real attempt at modern warfare. The Air Force, more than any other unit of the Armed Forces, is what protects America and wins it's wars.
 
Lets them pour away any chance of economic recovery, enchanted by "ooh shiney!"

As much as the "shiny" factor may be true, military production can indeed be good for the economy. Look at WW2.
 
Yeah. And the Soviet economy wouldn't be where it is today without all that military spending.

That's where reading comprehension comes in. Observe the word "can".
 
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