What do you think of the quality of OT discussion today?
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I can see why. Congratulations on taking it upon yourself to personally attack and/or dress down a poster for well, craps and giggles, I guess.
You seem like a real bundle of joy. Welcome back!
It's rudeness like this I really don't miss. Why should it matter to you how many posts someone has? It's not like you're losing something because someone else may be a prolific poster.
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IF - and it's a significant "if" - there's some sort of attention seeking with Borachio, at least he tends to actually engage his brain when he posts. It's a characteristic not demonstrated by many posters who have a far lower daily average.
That's right: IMO he averages at least 23 thoughts a day. ("At least" because I assume he has the odd thought beyond the forum.)
We're better off with that than low-post count trolls.
Please avoid criticism of specific posters and keep the discussion a friendly & productive one.
I find this interesting, because I tend to not get into big wide-ranging arguments anymore, but I've always thought that's a good thing. I used to argue more on a whole range of topics, but then I think 'the more I learn, the less I know' kicked in, and over time I became more aware of the limitations of my own arguments. Rather than presuming to know the right answer to every question, I instead involve myself on smaller points to hopefully work towards some clarification. I don't see this as cherry-picking or ignoring the bigger picture, so much as only getting involved in the discussion to the extent I feel I can be somewhat useful to it, and I certainly don't presume that I have a better holistic position that I'm just not bothering to type out.
I find this interesting, because I tend to not get into big wide-ranging arguments anymore, but I've always thought that's a good thing. I used to argue more on a whole range of topics, but then I think 'the more I learn, the less I know' kicked in, and over time I became more aware of the limitations of my own arguments. Rather than presuming to know the right answer to every question, I instead involve myself on smaller points to hopefully work towards some clarification. I don't see this as cherry-picking or ignoring the bigger picture, so much as only getting involved in the discussion to the extent I feel I can be somewhat useful to it, and I certainly don't presume that I have a better holistic position that I'm just not bothering to type out.
classical_hero
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Those who have been around as long as I have know that while the general discussion has improved it is still well below the golden age of around 2007-08. Back then there was much more room for some light-hearted humour towards other posters. I mean things that I have been infracted for in the past few years weren't even a infraction back then. We are still a long way below those year where things were both enjoyable and had serious discussion.
I assume they deleted your light-hearted humorous posts upon infraction.
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What do you think of the quality of OT discussion today?
ayyy it's better than it's ever been lmao
I got here before Iraq II and I didn't cut n'run. I've seen the ups and the downs. Current OT is best OT.
And how do you think it might be improved?
More Hygro, more Fifty posting, more posting from the #kabal in general, more extremists, less being smug over being "reasonable"
How do you rate your own style of posting?
Not that great. Poor at putting my thoughts to text but at least I typically have the courtesy to link to smarter people than me.
I also don't have much endurance for carrying on arguments. This could be rather frustrating for other posters. Usually I drop an argument because I don't want to spend 30 minutes on a post when I could have watched people playing videogames on the internet instead or something.
ayyy it's better than it's ever been lmao
I got here before Iraq II and I didn't cut n'run. I've seen the ups and the downs. Current OT is best OT.
And how do you think it might be improved?
More Hygro, more Fifty posting, more posting from the #kabal in general, more extremists, less being smug over being "reasonable"
How do you rate your own style of posting?
Not that great. Poor at putting my thoughts to text but at least I typically have the courtesy to link to smarter people than me.
I also don't have much endurance for carrying on arguments. This could be rather frustrating for other posters. Usually I drop an argument because I don't want to spend 30 minutes on a post when I could have watched people playing videogames on the internet instead or something.
I think it's fairly solid. I mean, nothing spectacular, but it's not in a slump either. I remember the last slump and that was god awful.
This might be tainted by my participation level though, which always dips during the summer. I'll be back to posting more regularly during the school year when I need to be doing actual work.
Topic diversity is always nice, though I think we do a good job of that. More posters is also good, someone mentioned that earlier.
Meh. I mean, I don't know if I stand out or anything, but it doesn't seem to be notable for anything. I know I join arguments less than I used to, since learning that I know so little.
I also have a bad tendency to post something I think is controversial and then scare myself into not visiting that thread for a week or two. I think I dropped something in the Altered maps thread recently, along with the Euroskeptics thread. I don't know why I do this but it does negatively impact my posting.
I guess the go to critique is dogpiling. Letting people express their own opinions without preconceptions or manufactured answers and just letting the discussion flow.
Also complaining about other people's posting habits. This gets on my nerves considering how easy it is to simply skim over posts. There's nothing wrong with people posting about stuff they know, if you find it annoying, don't read it. It doesn't affect your discussion at all. This is why the quote feature exists.
Interesting discussion! Of course, "interesting" and "discussion" are entirely subjective, but whatever, it's what keeps me coming here each day.
No, of course not. The last time we had a reflection thread (during a really bad slump several years ago) we had some very good discussion about how to improve ourselves as a community. One of the suggestions I still remember being the end of quote wars, which, thank god, has taken on and is no longer an issue.
Those were dark times.
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I guess, regarding the worst of dogpiling:
If you saw someone say something stupid, and saw a clever takedown, particularly by invoking a trope(!!!), and then you see someone here post something that is similar to that thing that you thought was stupid, and you get all excited to swagger jack that takedown you saw elsewhere, you might just be contributing to the problem.
If you saw someone say something stupid, and saw a clever takedown, particularly by invoking a trope(!!!), and then you see someone here post something that is similar to that thing that you thought was stupid, and you get all excited to swagger jack that takedown you saw elsewhere, you might just be contributing to the problem.
You know, you're right, you don't see so much quote warring these days. I hadn't thought of that, but thank goodness! I couldn't stand it.
Gori the Grey
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Guilty as charged, though, in my own defense:
1) I've engaged in mock-over-formal discourse without an immediate prompt (witness my defenses of double-spacing that were in that mode).
2) Literature proceeds precisely by troping on a previous author's trope (and overgoing it).
1) I've engaged in mock-over-formal discourse without an immediate prompt (witness my defenses of double-spacing that were in that mode).
2) Literature proceeds precisely by troping on a previous author's trope (and overgoing it).
Gori the Grey
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Every author does do what Borges says, Kyriakos, and that itself is a trope.
By one literary critic's standards (Harold Bloom's) doing what Borges describes is the most powerful literary trope of all. He calls it apophrades. It's in his famous Anxiety of Influence book, or the follow-up to that, Map of Misreading. Almost impenetrable stuff, but fun and insightful nonetheless.
By one literary critic's standards (Harold Bloom's) doing what Borges describes is the most powerful literary trope of all. He calls it apophrades. It's in his famous Anxiety of Influence book, or the follow-up to that, Map of Misreading. Almost impenetrable stuff, but fun and insightful nonetheless.
^I never expected to see that term in English. Let him who hath understanding reckon the term of the beast, for it is a Greek term. And it means 'unspeakable'
1. It's bad, largely for the reasons pointed out by Phrossack and Light Cleric.
Maybe it's slightly better than two years ago, but still.
2. I don't care. I try not to care, anyway.
I am correcting my readyness to put time and effort into posts downward over and over again. I am correct in doing so and will continue to do so.
The way things go around here lengthy point by point addressing/producing of arguments isn't worth it, when all you get for it is either disinterest or insults and strawmanning.
A short statement of dissent and superficial "discrediting" of another's position has the same limited benefits without the liabilities.
Similar rationals apply to the matter of tone.
5. It's fine. But it won't change anything.
I won't explicitly answer 3 & 4.
Occasional exceptions notwithstanding debate on fiftychat is hell of a lot more amicable and productive than on the forum.
But yeah: Fiftychat, the place where VRWC, Chukchi Husky and i are preparing the secret college-commie takeover.
But yeah: Fiftychat, the place where VRWC, Chukchi Husky and i are preparing the secret college-commie takeover.
Hey! You can't go cutting out my best Iberian buddy JoanK outta the coup!
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Can't beat real-time-conversations. When all factors align into a perfect environment a forum is perhaps the best place of discussion. But since that usually doesn't happen, its erratic brother takes the take.
For what it is worth I always enjoyed them
Though now that you say it more so in the past than these days.
JohannaK
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Rashiminos
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We could do with a few more abortions of abortion threads.
Edit: We could also use less words-only posts in the Babe Thread.
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