What Makes Your Blood Boil?

[yung.carl.jung]

I'm challenging the value of consciousness itself. Not that it doesn't have value, but it certainly isn't something which is always good.

I think qualia is a more fundamental question, so I haven't given the nature of consciousness much thought. Sorry.

No, I was saying it was a bad thing to value, to pursue for schizoids. It gives the impression of deep thought but actually cripples you.

>I'm challenging the value of consciousness itself. Not that it doesn't have value, but it certainly isn't something which is always good.

That's a pretty interesting thought and I 100% agree that consciousness isn't "inherently good", though what really is?

>No, I was saying it was a bad thing to value, to pursue for schizoids. It gives the impression of deep thought but actually cripples you.

So you were talking about schizoids specifically? You didn't mention that in the post that sparked this discussion, but now your point makes more sense.

 

[Mouthwash]

That's a pretty interesting thought and I 100% agree that consciousness isn't "inherently good", though what really is?

I've no idea. But I think it's a fallacy to say that not knowing means accepting nihilism.

 

[agonistes]

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That's a pretty interesting thought and I 100% agree that consciousness isn't "inherently good", though what really is?

Ice cream and yoga pants.

 

[civvver]

People who hurt kids or are mean to them. Look as a dad I get it, not the hurting part, but the mean part. I lose it and scream at my kids sometimes. It can be really hard. But generally we administer discipline very calmly and with reminders of love. Then you see some parents in stores and other places who just constantly berate their children. It's not right. I sometimes wonder if it's equally harmful as physical abuse.

People who are hypocrites, not in general cus in general I don't care what other people do, but those people who tell you not to do something and then do the exact same thing, or tell you to do something and then don't do it themselves. Mostly applies to the wife's dumb rules she nags me about which she herself won't follow lol.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

People who hurt kids or are mean to them. Look as a dad I get it, not the hurting part, but the mean part. I lose it and scream at my kids sometimes. It can be really hard. But generally we administer discipline very calmly and with reminders of love. Then you see some parents in stores and other places who just constantly berate their children. It's not right. I sometimes wonder if it's equally harmful as physical abuse.

It is. I speak from experience. The kid gets the sense that the parent thinks they're worthless, can't do anything right, and don't deserve respect as people.

 

[rah]

Reading this thread had definitely made me appreciate my parents more. They weren't perfect but I pray that I was almost as good of a parent as they were.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Less and less

 

[The_J]

3) People playing dumb, or playing others for fools, or generally acting toward others in a way that would make them angry if it were directed against them (I guess that's the general concept of hypocrisy here).
It makes me want to return the favour by smashing their face in a wall and then acting innocent.

It's only a problem if you have to deal with these people. I learned to ignore them if I don't require them.

On my list, in personal life:
- the argument "everyone does it"
- the argument "I have nothing to hide"
First one boils down to "I don't want to think", and the second one to "It does not concern my, why should it concern anyone?".
Maybe could be called "stupidity" ^^.

In work life
- people who name things dumbly. Recently had the case about the items X, Y and the binary item X/Y. The both X and Y are not the same. I mean...seriously...
- hiding things in obscure places. Had to track down some data over half of the internet, despite the fact that the common practice in that case was a lot easier.
- EDIT: And the Internet Explorer . I hope my Linux machine arrives soon.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I was entering a Walmart and I put my arm out the window and caught a shopping cart that was rolling down the exit lane into traffic, so people who dont return shopping carts piss me off...and I thought I was lazy

That is why in Germany you have to deposit a euro-coin to get a card, and get it only back when bringing it back. I was surprised to learn that is not so in the US.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

That is why in Germany you have to deposit a euro-coin to get a card, and get it only back when bringing it back. I was surprised to learn that is not so in the US.

It depends on the store. Some stores seem to make it as aggravating as possible, which is why I never buy anything there that I can't either carry myself or fit into a basket or box.

The apartment building I live in is big and sprawling, so the management gives a nod and a wink at people who "adopt" shopping carts from various places in the neighborhood. They're very handy for taking the garbage down to the dumpster, bringing in groceries or other shopping, and I used a couple when I moved a few weeks ago.

Some years ago when I moved from my house to my first apartment I borrowed a cart from the closest grocery store (someone else borrowed it first and left it somewhere in the neighborhood). The manager didn't mind later when I just took the cart and everything when doing my shopping, since I always brought it back (along with any others I found on the way).

 

[TheMeInTeam]

That's a pretty interesting thought and I 100% agree that consciousness isn't "inherently good", though what really is?

Nothing can be inherently "good" (or evil for that matter). These are concepts derived from human social construct and require defining in context. Unless I'm mistaken, having something be good inherently would imply that it is a property observable in its own right, similar to how many atoms are in something or how much force you feel when you pick up a book.

Even if we bypass that and frame consciousness (which we don't fully understand) in the context of "what human beings generally perceive as good or evil", it would still definitely not be inherently good or evil (since outputs consciousness have too many counter-examples), and even within the human social construct framework you'd be hard pressed to manage to conclude something inherently fits it.