With the larger map I would also really like to see Nubia.
I can't imagine any of those having an interesting UHV except maybe Swahili
Nigeria UHV 3: Build Hollywood
Right. Maybe throw in a religious goal too.There’s definitely potential for some interesting UHVs for all of them. Disclaimer I’m not the most knowledgeable about Africa:
Songhai would be all about creating a big, strong empire in West Africa and defeating the Moroccans in the Renaissance.
Honestly I am weakest on Nigeria right now as well, I would need to read up more on them.Nigeria could either start early during the Renaissance era or else as the Sokoto Caliphate in the Industrial. The latter would have a major economic focus (including slavery stuff in the early era). I could see a 3rd UHV in the Modern/Future era too given the nation’s potential today.
Exactly. Easiest triple of goals I could come up with is: conquer Egypt early, amass gold / resources, keep Islam out of Africa. Alternatively have them build the Pyramids for a slightly alt-history goal, considering they had their own (though smaller) Pyramids.Nubians would be an Ancient civ that is supposed to conquer Egypt and later Ethiopia. Maybe some sort of goal with trade routes as well?
Great Zimbabwe could also be some goal around their capital, for example X population or Y buildings. I also see them as a potential tech catch up civ, because they'd likely start with very primitive tech and would need to get to a certain point before making contact with Europe.Shona would be a fast-paced culture game involving a lot of barb warfare. To directly reference Great Zimbabwe Castles could be a UB.
Yeah, I had the Australia thing in mind too. Beyond that, they would have resource trade and trade route based goals that would encourage them to make lots of contacts and open borders.Swahili would definitely be a major trade and naval civ. You’d have to fight off the Portuguese as well, maybe sink X European ships UHV. Wiki says that they might’ve made landfall in Australia before Europeans as well, so that could be a settler spot/UHV/whatever too.
Honestly I am weakest on Nigeria right now as well, I would need to read up more on them.
Exactly. Easiest triple of goals I could come up with is: conquer Egypt early, amass gold / resources, keep Islam out of Africa. Alternatively have them build the Pyramids for a slightly alt-history goal, considering they had their own (though smaller) Pyramids.
Great Zimbabwe could also be some goal around their capital, for example X population or Y buildings. I also see them as a potential tech catch up civ, because they'd likely start with very primitive tech and would need to get to a certain point before making contact with Europe.
Interesting. I'd like at least one goal that comes before the Sokoto Caliphate though.I just remember hearing that Sokoto had an especially outstanding economy—supposedly had the potential to “modernize.” I think there was a major alternatehistory.com timeline about it. Their claiming the Caliphate has interesting ramifications too—maybe for a UP or something.
Yeah, the Medjay is already in the game after all. But you're right about the spawn date. 3000 BC seems wrong, I'll need to see what I can make work.I really like this one for the sheer alt history feeling to it. Also for the interesting power balance in the area—I guess their UU would be the Medjay? Making Pyramids a UHV would probably mean Nubians would have to spawn at 4000 BC...
Sounds good. I was also thinking about the Maya when talking about them, with also a sense of China in the way you constantly will have to ward off barbarians.Like the Mayans in a few ways then, cool. Three goals could be X culture by Y date, the pop/buildings in capital, and tech goal by European contact/X date.
Right. They would also provide a good trading partner for the Swahili.An emphasize on the region's gold and ivory resources should be paid attention to with the inclusion of the Shona civilization. Trade with Arabia would certainly make both civilizations more enjoyable.
Okay, so how about this:Interesting. I'd like at least one goal that comes before the Sokoto Caliphate though.
If we're talking about a 1600 AD deadline (or really anything before 1800 AD or so), then there should really only be a Islamic and Catholic requirement -- Nigerian contact with Europe was almost exclusively through Spain and Portugal, and Protestantism really didn't spread until much more recently.1) Build an Islamic Great Mosque, a Catholic Cathedral and a Protestant Cathedral by 1600 AD
On the subject of African civs, Kanem Bornu would be an interesting choice due to its near 1200 year longevity and filling a portion of Africa often left unsettled. Goals could revolve around the size of their empire and spreading Islam, as well as maybe some city development stuff.
Some representation of the Nok culture would be cool, even if it was part of the Nigerian civ. Their early metal-working and theories of trade with Carthage are somewhat interesting.