What should the US response Be?

[Flatlander Fox]

I believe that we all need to take a very deep breath before acting here. <br /> <br />Consise, surgical strikes are required against as many terrorist cells that we can find. I believe a Crusade against terrorism AND it's supporters is in order. With the support of the world AT THIS MOMENT, we can do many effective things right now. We should not waste it.

To anyone who feels like mass revenge: I completely understand how you feel. But I will draw a parallel here:

We (You and Me) feel completely powerless. Our land has been attacked, and we cannot do ANYTHING to the people who have done it. The reason we are powerless at this moment: Lack of Evidence

Now think about Iraq, Libya, Palestine, and any other country in the Middle East we have ever bombed or bullied. They are truly powerless against our might.

At this moment I don't care about their plight, but I can see their point through all of the emotions.

The terrorists wanted US to see how they feel. Now we all know what it is like to feel a little powerless on the world stage. That was the grisly lesson they tried to teach.

And I sincerely hope they burn in hell forever for it.

 

[KnightOfNi]

Originally posted by duke o' york:<br />[QB]To answer your question H Tower, nothing. The US should accept that this is a tragic act that has cost the lives of many innocent people but should not let this spur them on to the eradication of entire nations as you seem to suggest. <hr></blockquote>

...Yeah...Right <br />Let them get away with it, is that what you mean ?

 

[ferenginar]

Those responsible must be found and punished accordingly.

Though the US must not act precipitously, they have to be certain who is responsible for this before they act, and should seek international approval of those actions, or this could escalate into something truly catastrophic.

No sane man could condone the actions of these terrorists, the US should receive all the backing they need to eradicate these fanatics.

 

[Juize]

Fisheads: So all of a sudden, because people experience bad things in there own countries that provides some sort of justification for the deliberate slaughter of 10,000 people? How the **** does that work? The same people who bomb and kill in their own countries are the same people who killed ten of thousands of Americans today. So we should put up our hands and say, "Oh I see, this is how the rest of the world works, why don't we work like it too"? Hell no! The bottom line is: you kill, you will be killed. <br />EYE FOR A TOOTH. They killed 10,000; we'll kill 100,000 if that's what it takes. All I want to say to those responsible is:<hr></blockquote><br />I could bring here more quotes of intelligent americans, but that is not necessary. Just<br />read all replys. Now what I am trying to tell u americans since bomb attack:<br />Don't you boneheads get it!?! Who are the terrorists? Who have started this reveange thing?<br />Who has no brains? You folks start more and more seem like the next Hitler-jugend!<br />If you have been attacked, that is no excuse. Just think how many people the world has lost<br />because of your attacks! (Oh, I forgot, they are<br />not humans anyway) <img src="graemlins/reddevil.gif" border="0" alt="[Red Devil]" />

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by H Tower:<br /><strong>If some country is in fact identified as the instigators of these acts, they desrve to be attacked. How can the US government not respond to a clear act of war? It would only be inviting more attacks. <br />Juize: did you ever come up with a reason why as you said, we attacked ourselves? Did you ever find any proof? Why don't you just admit you hate America because we are the most prosperous nation on Earth. And we didn't get that way by knuckling under to any crackpot or bomb throwing crazy. As Adam Smith said, the purpose of a government is to PROTECT ITS PEOPLE. The US is justified in making a violent, military response towards whoever attacked the US first.</strong><hr></blockquote> Americans - most prosperius? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <br />Lets make this clear to you and all boneheads like you:<br />The only reason why USA has been prosperius is that US uses half of the world on its slaves.<br />Afganistan was one of the countries that wouldn't wanted to be it's slave. So US attacked to Afgans<br />on the most cruelest ways. The US killed massive amount of Afgans. And now when lousy 20 000 people<br />of you is getting killed, that is most tragic.<br />And what comes to proofs..:<br />It was a theory. If you want proofs of this, <br />you wont find any. Some folks on US Goverment<br />are now spreading fanatical 'proofs' that the lousy Afgans attacked there. 5 years of expirement<br />of USA Media has strengthen my theory.

 

[Heffalump]

This debate in my view is following a misleading path: it is being characterized solely as an attack on America. But in my view this is a charade. The crime scene is in America but the crime is against humanity. Any attack that DELIBERATELY targets civilians as a primary target is a crime against humanity.

Yesterday the targets were here but the victims included many nationalities. (For those of you who don't know there were a number of European businesses & organizations will north american headquarters in the World Trade Center.)

Tomorrow the attack could just as easily be Paris, London or Moscow, and if not committed by the same organization as yesterday then by some other organization that uses terrorism as a means of expressing it's disagreement with the government. Will your city be safe tomorrow?

The only answer is to ruthlessly hunt down and destroy organizations which sponsor and commit such acts. And if, for the purpose of example, that means entering Afghanistan then so be it. But the US cannot do this alone. It must be a world effort to expose, isolate, and if need be, enter the countries that harbor these groups. It takes China, Russia, Europe, and the US acting in concert along with many other nations.

These groups are the evils of our day: our Hitlers, our holocaust in waiting. And I would hope that all of you, wherever you're from,<br />will recognize that they must be stopped, as best as we can humanly stop them, before they acquire weapons far more destructive than what they have now.

Together we stand. Divided we fall.

 

[stormerne]

There are some who believe that a US repsonse has already started. Or is about to start...

(BBC report, Wednesday morning): The United Nations is moving up to 80 foreign staff out of Afghanistan in the wake of terrorist attacks on America. The UN fears that the US might launch attacks if it suspects that the Saudi militant Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Mr Bin Laden is living in Afghanistan under the protection of the ruling Taleban. The US targeted his training camps in cruise missile attacks on Afghanistan in 1998 after two US embassies were blown up in Africa. The UN said the move to evacuate staff was "due to circumstances prevailing internationally", and was temporary. "It's a precaution," said spokeswoman Marie Heuze.

The evacuation move follows reports of an attack on Kabul's airport by opposition forces' helicopter gunships, hours after the attacks against the United States. Early reports had suggested that this was an attack by the United States, but the US denied it was responsible. Plumes of smoke could be seen rising from the area as Taleban soldiers sealed off approach roads. The Afghan opposition said it was retaliating for an assassination attempt on their commander, Ahmed Shah Masood, as well as Taleban attacks on their forces in northern Afghanistan. Mr Masood was attacked by a suicide bomb on Sunday and it is still not clear if he survived that attack. The Taleban rejected the claims of an attack, saying the explosions were the result of a fire at an ammunition dump. However, moments after the explosions, Taleban fighter jets could be heard taking off to what the Taleban called a "safe place".

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Juize:<br /><strong><br />-Why does everybody blame me if I'll open my mouth even for a second?<br /></strong><hr></blockquote>

Because you are one of the stupidest and most offensive persons that "everbody" has ever encounted. Anyone one who could anger Leowind to this extent is unfit for civil society.

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[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Fishheads:<br /><strong>we need to force every world leader to sit there ass down and we all need to work together..

not kill each other

</strong><hr></blockquote>

<br />Since world leaders are the one wielding most of the force, commonly by killing others, your of course this will not happen is probably the final word.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola:<br /><strong>Becuase your are one of the stupidest and most offensive persons that "everbody" has ever encounted. Anyone one who could anger Leowind to this extent is unfit for civil society.</strong><hr></blockquote><br />Yes, I'm stupid. Youre wise. And in what way I'm stupid? I talk what you don't like? Or what?

 

[Matrix]

Juize, more than 10,000 Americans died yesterday and everyone is mourning and you are saying the Americans suck. It's quite obvious they don't what to hear that when talking about this tragedy.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by Matrix:<br /><strong>Juize, more than 10,000 Americans died yesterday and everyone is mourning and you are saying the Americans suck. It's quite obvious they don't what to hear that when talking about this tragedy.</strong><hr></blockquote><br />Originally, I did not say that americans suck. And even now I haven't said that americans suck.<br />That would been stupid and racistical though.<br />But if everybody keeps saying me:<br />U can go to ****ing hell you ****ing *****. This isn't something to joke about you sick mother ****er.<br />I will indeed lose my self-control, look the nearest american, and shoot him shouting "Americans suck!"

 

[GeneralHotRod]

Originally posted by Fishhead...<br />how do you think the rest of the world will feel after you just killed 100,000 Innocent people in the middle east

how do you think the middle east will feel after you just killed these people..

and you better kill them all<br /><hr></blockquote>

You had better check your history and find specific examples of intentional U.S. attacks on civilians in any war. I seem to recall from history class that the Brits, as well as you self-riteous Canuks took part on the total fire bombing of German cities in WWII. (Yes there were many Canadians flying with the RAF!)

In the Gulf War the We (all of us) kept civilian casualties to a minimum. There IS a huge difference between bombing the government offices in Baghdad and bombing the WTC in NYC. One thing that the modern civilized world does is distinguish those who cause war and chaos and those who do not.

I can assure you that when the time comes the guilty parties will be attacked (Taliban Gov't, Bin Laden, etc.) We will not declare war on some weaver or street vendor in the streets of Kabul.

This is what seperates civilized leaders from blood-thirsty dictators.

I am an American, and I can guarantee everyone that I am normally well-informed and have been extremely well educated. Most of the time I tend to think very rationally (yesterday as an exception.)

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[Lefty Scaevola]

When it comes to war, which this already is, I am in the category of Don't get mad, don't get even, just coldbloodedly and mercilessly exterminate your enemies.

Leagally terror attacks of this nature are Piracy (Waging war without the authority of a recognized government) and War crimes. This give forces against them the options of of waging war back, maximum force with out need for judicial sanction, or prosecuting the crime, or BOTH. With out any conflict in the law or your choice you can send the military in kill any of them you can reach, then try to lock up any survivors as criminals rather prisoners of war. If there is a defect in your criminal evidence, you can hold them as a pow until the armed conflict is over (like never). Effectively you can deal out the harshest portions of both sets of legal regimes: War & Crimminal. <img src="graemlins/hammer.gif" border="0" alt="[Hammer]" />

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[Simon Darkshade]

I don't pretend to have the solutions, only an opinin developed by my own experiences and beliefs. I believe justice must be done, but revenge is a dish best served cold. get utter proof that someone has done it (which is increasing by the minute), then go after them with the full fury of God's own thunder.

I do not believe the suspects will be brought to trial, but if they do, it will be as big and as important as Nuremberg. The world is galvanized behind America against this atrocity, and justice must be done for the healing to begin.

I would make one comment on the incresingly heated nature of these posts. I understand entirely our American friends venting their spleen at this monstrous act, but people from untouched nations spouting continous matters that are tasteless, silly and offensive is somthing that I cannot understand or condone. If you fell strongly against Americans, then debate among your own friends and people; do not take the war to a primarily American bulletin board that is in shock from the WORST TERRORIST ATTACK EVER.

No human lives are worth more or less than others, so please, there is enough trouble as it is without some people exacerbating the situation. Understand that America has been shcoked to the core, that thousands of INNOCENTS have died, and we should be remembering them.

 

[jc011]

WTH are you guys talking about?! people right now should be concentrating on saving lives instead of finding someone to nuke, one tragedy is enough, think before you do something stupid,

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

"Fire in the new city, <br />the century merely a babe, <br />the two brothers fall on the field, <br />the five tiered ring is pierced thru, <br />panic in the streets as the leader struggles"

<br />--Nostradamus, 1432

 

[GeneralHotRod]

Sounds like Juize has been reading the official PLO newsletter <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Blue Monday is right...obviously pissed...but right. You cannot reason with fanatics. A few years ago I had the opportunity to listen to Elie Weisel, a Nobel Prize winning author and Holocaust survivor. The topic of this speech was the dangers of fanaticism.

He continually used Nazi Germany as an example on how a down-trodden people can rally behind and unjust cause if they can identify a certain group as the reason for their problems. The same thing is happening with fanatical groups in the Middle East. Many of these people have no knowledge of America or Americans, other than what their leaders tell them. It is these leaders who are the cause of these problems (and yes I think Arafat is one of them, if you don't belive me read the PLO charter).

With people like these, including fanatical governments like Syria and Afghanastan, there will never be peace in the world. I think our greatest hope to be free(uncensored) education and free information. As long as this is suppressed tradgedys like the WTC will be common in the future.

TTFN going to play Civ

P.S. Blue Monday give credit to your quote source. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />

<br />By Fat Tony:<br />I don't get mad I get stabby. <hr></blockquote>

 

[floppa21]

I agree with Blue Monday. This is bullsh*t that we shouldn't take. Turn the other cheek my ass. As for calling them fig eaters and such, what's a good one for Finns? Hey Juize, this is for you pal! <img src="graemlins/punch.gif" border="0" alt="[Punch]" />

 

[Juize]

These all replies just strengthen my theory. Just think: Before attack you were nice. Afterwards<br />u want to kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. And am I now accused of fanaticsm?!<br />For me it seems like I'm the only one who is not fanatical.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by GeneralHotRod:<br /><strong>Sounds like Juize has been reading the official PLO newsletter <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Blue Monday is right...obviously pissed...but right. You cannot reason with fanatics. A few years ago I had the opportunity to listen to Elie Weisel, a Nobel Prize winning author and Holocaust survivor. The topic of this speech was the dangers of fanaticism.

He continually used Nazi Germany as an example on how a down-trodden people can rally behind and unjust cause if they can identify a certain group as the reason for their problems. The same thing is happening with fanatical groups in the Middle East. Many of these people have no knowledge of America or Americans, other than what their leaders tell them. It is these leaders who are the cause of these problems (and yes I think Arafat is one of them, if you don't belive me read the PLO charter).

With people like these, including fanatical governments like Syria and Afghanastan, there will never be peace in the world. I think our greatest hope to be free(uncensored) education and free information. As long as this is suppressed tradgedys like the WTC will be common in the future.

TTFN going to play Civ

P.S. Blue Monday give credit to your quote source. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote><br />I agree with you completely. What I'm saying is that now you are the fanatics.<br />So don't start WW3 hastily just because of anger and reveange. Calm down first.