What should the US response Be?
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Leowind
Emperor
JESUS CHRIST! READ MY POSTS! I have replied to the suggestions of reveange-strikes for the<br />info that we are not sure who has destroyed these buildings! When I was said that, almost all in<br />these forums started to insult me and ordered go to hell etc. Then, I have answered they that<br />they aren't thinked this to the end. Now what?!?
floppa21
Crusty Manhole
Yah Leowind, it was the Americans did this to the Americans. It's all a conspiracy to get the government... Or something like that. WTH??? Get with it man!!! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
growthudemocracy
Warlord
this will sound namby-pamby.....if we are all americans why are we bickering over small detailz....1) somebody hit us in the nutz 2) When we find out who it was we need to respond violently inorder to protect our society 3)we need to remain united and make compramises among ourselves to protect our CIVILIZATION.....
TheDuckOfFlanders
the fish collecter
i said it once on other topic's and ill say it again:
Have you seen how Poetin want to help the u.s. ,did you hear his words when he sead that america's enemy's were their's too.<br />Russia seek's friendship with europe for a long time now.They would like to be with the E.u. Personaly ,i think it's something to consider.<br />russia is rich of natural resources, and Europe,russia and America have mutual stratigical interests's in the southern russia region. the russians are fighting the taliban for a long time now.mostly to fight the hard drugs smugol along the southern border.These drugs are destined for europe.The bombings in afhanistan marked the end of the nouthern Allaince.It was a small region controled by a russian backed millitant leader.
It means that the Taliban is getting more control over the region ,and are now a potential threat to country's like Tadjikistan.<br />As you all know ,they harbour The all famous Ossama Bin Laden.Was it a coincidence that the northern alliance was bombed today?
In strange times you must be prepared to make strange moves.If afhanistan is youre threat ,then russia is youre sollution.and Europe youre friend.
What is nato anyway today.Is russia still our great enemy? The times that the U.S and Russia were the only strong powers are over.<br />Today even country's like North Korea and Pakistan have Nukes. (and they are not the only one's).The Great powers (America ,Russia ,Europe & China) don't want war now i think.They have more domestic problem's to deal with.But really the Rouge states are our modern enemies.
The Taliban are barbarians. The destroyed monument's ,killed tourist just for their beliefs.<br />Woman have to wear carpet's over their head. i'm not sympathetic to that.
But i'm not saying that this rouge states are the source off all problems.Surely ,they have their own problem's too.Especcialy the civilian's there are suffering.<br />America has suffered a lot too ,and in it's anger it has made move's that were not always effective.<br />All anger has flowed into a spiral of violence.And now everybody is hurt ,and everybody wants revenge.And it's realy dangerous crap.
I dont say that we have to go to war now.i say that atleast Europe ,Russia and America have to work toghether in fighting terrorism.Russia can use the help ,And Nato can use Russia's zones of control.First of all in a preventive way.If we can put a bigger presence in the region of southern Russia ,with the backing of russia ,our power over the region would be far better.Today ,that's more than possible.<br />But the rest would have to happen on the diplomacy level.
If Russia get's toghether ,than that's a very fine step. (i really hope that happens)<br />Russia has a lot of Oil.And the average oil production is not that high in russia.Besidses ,it hold's a major part of the oil fields in the middle east.And russia has a lot of special interresting friends.For exampel the ex-Ussr country's in middle east.Or Cuba : face it ,Castro will soon be dead ,and even him want's to be friends with america now (one rouge country less) ,and with the tourism ,cuba si ready por la democracia!
Oil has always been the source of the problems in the Middle east.That's why the middle east today is a time-bomb.<br />European stock exchanges lost almost 10%.that has a simple reason.Russia can help us ,and we can help them.With good investment's ,russia could yield a far better oil supply.
The rest is diplomacy.With more oil supply of other country's will the tension partly sore in the Middle east.<br />the U.S has to stop supporting israël ,and Sharon has to be pulled out for war crimes.<br />It Has to kill or take Saddam (he's really dangerous),make democratic elections in Iraq possible ,an give up the trade restrictions.
but what america dont has to do is declaring war on a nation.Fly over there with the most modern planes and totally bomb the place to craters only to punish the civilians and effectivly makeing the problem's only worse.
Iraq is a wasteland,but Saddam was never gone.Tripoli has been bommed ,khadaffi is still a major threat.Serbia is ruined ,and it never had any use. (I dont like the albanian maffia)<br />Instead ,the hate is only brewing more.All their civilians hate the American's now
Let it be a lesson to american's.The more problem's you seek the more you get.
Have you seen how Poetin want to help the u.s. ,did you hear his words when he sead that america's enemy's were their's too.<br />Russia seek's friendship with europe for a long time now.They would like to be with the E.u. Personaly ,i think it's something to consider.<br />russia is rich of natural resources, and Europe,russia and America have mutual stratigical interests's in the southern russia region. the russians are fighting the taliban for a long time now.mostly to fight the hard drugs smugol along the southern border.These drugs are destined for europe.The bombings in afhanistan marked the end of the nouthern Allaince.It was a small region controled by a russian backed millitant leader.
It means that the Taliban is getting more control over the region ,and are now a potential threat to country's like Tadjikistan.<br />As you all know ,they harbour The all famous Ossama Bin Laden.Was it a coincidence that the northern alliance was bombed today?
In strange times you must be prepared to make strange moves.If afhanistan is youre threat ,then russia is youre sollution.and Europe youre friend.
What is nato anyway today.Is russia still our great enemy? The times that the U.S and Russia were the only strong powers are over.<br />Today even country's like North Korea and Pakistan have Nukes. (and they are not the only one's).The Great powers (America ,Russia ,Europe & China) don't want war now i think.They have more domestic problem's to deal with.But really the Rouge states are our modern enemies.
The Taliban are barbarians. The destroyed monument's ,killed tourist just for their beliefs.<br />Woman have to wear carpet's over their head. i'm not sympathetic to that.
But i'm not saying that this rouge states are the source off all problems.Surely ,they have their own problem's too.Especcialy the civilian's there are suffering.<br />America has suffered a lot too ,and in it's anger it has made move's that were not always effective.<br />All anger has flowed into a spiral of violence.And now everybody is hurt ,and everybody wants revenge.And it's realy dangerous crap.
I dont say that we have to go to war now.i say that atleast Europe ,Russia and America have to work toghether in fighting terrorism.Russia can use the help ,And Nato can use Russia's zones of control.First of all in a preventive way.If we can put a bigger presence in the region of southern Russia ,with the backing of russia ,our power over the region would be far better.Today ,that's more than possible.<br />But the rest would have to happen on the diplomacy level.
If Russia get's toghether ,than that's a very fine step. (i really hope that happens)<br />Russia has a lot of Oil.And the average oil production is not that high in russia.Besidses ,it hold's a major part of the oil fields in the middle east.And russia has a lot of special interresting friends.For exampel the ex-Ussr country's in middle east.Or Cuba : face it ,Castro will soon be dead ,and even him want's to be friends with america now (one rouge country less) ,and with the tourism ,cuba si ready por la democracia!
Oil has always been the source of the problems in the Middle east.That's why the middle east today is a time-bomb.<br />European stock exchanges lost almost 10%.that has a simple reason.Russia can help us ,and we can help them.With good investment's ,russia could yield a far better oil supply.
The rest is diplomacy.With more oil supply of other country's will the tension partly sore in the Middle east.<br />the U.S has to stop supporting israël ,and Sharon has to be pulled out for war crimes.<br />It Has to kill or take Saddam (he's really dangerous),make democratic elections in Iraq possible ,an give up the trade restrictions.
but what america dont has to do is declaring war on a nation.Fly over there with the most modern planes and totally bomb the place to craters only to punish the civilians and effectivly makeing the problem's only worse.
Iraq is a wasteland,but Saddam was never gone.Tripoli has been bommed ,khadaffi is still a major threat.Serbia is ruined ,and it never had any use. (I dont like the albanian maffia)<br />Instead ,the hate is only brewing more.All their civilians hate the American's now
Let it be a lesson to american's.The more problem's you seek the more you get.
BlueMonday
Can I Kick It?
Juize, you have got no less than one nanosecond to shut your filthy hole. This is not a kind reminder -you have been spouting mindless propagandha and baseless conspiracy theories for thirty six hours now. I strongly recomend that your giddiness over the death of thousands of my people be ended right here right now.
You sound like ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. My country isn't perfect, my country hadn't always done the good thing or the right thing, but that is no excuse for the slaughter of thousands of my people. Even more than that, it is unconscionable that the Government of the United States of America would ever think up a plan to kill thousands of it's own citizens, cripple hundreds of it's most powerfull companies and damage it's greatest symbol of military power merely to get more people into the military so we can invade Chechsloviraniganqstan or wherever. You have completely ignored every logical conclusion and the existing facts to support your asses-can-fly theories.
In short, shut up.
You sound like ten pounds of **** in a five pound bag. My country isn't perfect, my country hadn't always done the good thing or the right thing, but that is no excuse for the slaughter of thousands of my people. Even more than that, it is unconscionable that the Government of the United States of America would ever think up a plan to kill thousands of it's own citizens, cripple hundreds of it's most powerfull companies and damage it's greatest symbol of military power merely to get more people into the military so we can invade Chechsloviraniganqstan or wherever. You have completely ignored every logical conclusion and the existing facts to support your asses-can-fly theories.
In short, shut up.
growthudemocracy
Warlord
wow blue.....Chechsloviraniganqstan that is the best bit of tasteful comic RELEIF I have heard in 48 hourz....Juize your comentz about us calming down first are correct, the other stuff, well........It stings, i am sorry if some of us Americnas have offended you but we've been kick in the group nutz....
Hey boys just look at the problems from slightly different point of few:<br />where was you super, the greatest, highly trained AMERICAN defense-intelligence highly paid agents? Who is selling guns to Israel to feed the Gulf War? Do you think that Israel is the best nation I could defend against 6 countries on its own - ##ck NO!!! You Americans supported them!!! You buy oil (to please your Yankee luxurious life style) from fanatic Islamists!! If something goes wrong you blame all others but never look at your mistakes!!! That is childish way!!! Clean up your **** first!!! Get your greedy asses out of Gulf
HIEROPHANT
Videogame God
since the us has a lot dead people and high economic damage the usa should delcare war on Afganistan, iraq and Palestinians. Husian mostly likely helpped Bin ladden in funding. USA should delopy the bombers. USA needs to kick there arse so hard they kiss the moon and back.
[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: HIEROPHANT ]</p>
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growthudemocracy
Warlord
Well please do not laugh but I believe that Israel was able to defeat those nations in SIX SAYZ because they are a chosen people....if it took the USA involvemnt to facilitate this well us christians say that god "works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform"...the hard part od all of this is god and allah are the same, this is basicly two brothers fighting over the land given them by their father, Islamics (Ishmial) Hebrews/christians (Isaic) and forgive me for saying this, (as my father who fought in Vietnam taught me that Austrailian infantry are the toughest he ever saw),but where would ya'll be with out oil???????!!!????????
H Tower
Prince
RedWolf
Deity
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
My condolences to America and her people. Nobody deserved the tradgedy that has befallen you and I can't even begin to imagine the shock you must all be in.
However after reading this thread I've lost a great deal of respect for a lot of people that I always considered to be quite intelligent.
I can't even fathom that people in an educated "civilized" country consider "turning Afghanistan into a parking lot" a viable justifiable response to this situation. I consider these people to be FAR less rationale than Juize.
Killing MORE innocents is not going to bring your people back. Those who would actually DO this are no better than the heartless animals that smashed those planes into the World Trade Center yesterday.
You can start with that self righteous crap about how justice must be done blah blah. It's the SAME thing.
Even Canadians have lost their minds. I've heard the words "lets nuke 'em" enough times to make me puke.
I am however happy that there are some rational level headed Americans in this forum... I'm sure you know who you are and you have my utmost respect.
My condolences to America and her people. Nobody deserved the tradgedy that has befallen you and I can't even begin to imagine the shock you must all be in.
However after reading this thread I've lost a great deal of respect for a lot of people that I always considered to be quite intelligent.
I can't even fathom that people in an educated "civilized" country consider "turning Afghanistan into a parking lot" a viable justifiable response to this situation. I consider these people to be FAR less rationale than Juize.
Killing MORE innocents is not going to bring your people back. Those who would actually DO this are no better than the heartless animals that smashed those planes into the World Trade Center yesterday.
You can start with that self righteous crap about how justice must be done blah blah. It's the SAME thing.
Even Canadians have lost their minds. I've heard the words "lets nuke 'em" enough times to make me puke.
I am however happy that there are some rational level headed Americans in this forum... I'm sure you know who you are and you have my utmost respect.
HOLD ON boys!!!<br />I am half-Polish and half-Australian so please do not involve Australia here! I speak for myself not a country! I do not think that all Americans are greedy or bad!!! I support fighting terrorist BUT…. what is the reason for those crazy ##cks to attack your beautiful country. Do you think that killing 10000 Islamic fanatics will solve problems American government has caused. There are millions of them in all countries!!!! Mind not a sward can only fix the problem. <br />AS for God… the only thing I hate in my life is saying that God supports any of sides which kill in any name (even justice) !!!! Issue of God is too complex to discuss it now – but do not give me that **** that Jews are chosen – they killed their own GOD!!!!! There is no such a thing like chosen nation – we are all the same and only us humans divide or join nation!!!<br />Petrol – yes we cannot imagine to live without that, but it might be cause for your (world’s) suffering!!!
Ashoka
Reluctant Warrior
>> What is the reason those crazy f*&%ks <br />>> bombed your beautiful country?
With all respect, the USA is a target no matter what our government does.
As the largest world power, the US is asked to take sides on almost every major conflict. Even US *non-action* is often viewed as a statement.
Look at recent events - US gets involved in Somalia (as part of UN) - - it's part of a racist, colonial attitude, and US soldiers are killed, bodies drug through the streets.
US does *NOT* get involved in Rawanda genocide (Europe pulls out fairly soon, as well) and US is blamed for the "racist, colonial" way they allowed Africans to be killed without intervening.
War in Croatia - US gets involved - once again, 'racist, colonial' policy. African complains US only involved because victims are caucasian. Serbs and Croats alternatly support and oppose US invovlvement, depending on the weather. (Yes, I know, real political and social issues, but seemingly as random as the weather to 90% of the people not living in that area of Europe.)
So, US retailiates, it's 'racist and colonial' - not matter if the retaliation is miltary, economic or legal - because the US is the large target. Much easier to blam the US for your countries problems then resolve them yourself - - ESPECIALLY if you are the leader of the country with the problems, and, since you are a dictator, the only retirement possible for you is to be violently overthrown.
The US screws up a lot - I am mad as hell about Kyoto, the UN Declaration of the Rights of the Child, any number of US stupidities. But US detractors are rarely angels, and are most often as bad or even worse.
Ashoka
With all respect, the USA is a target no matter what our government does.
As the largest world power, the US is asked to take sides on almost every major conflict. Even US *non-action* is often viewed as a statement.
Look at recent events - US gets involved in Somalia (as part of UN) - - it's part of a racist, colonial attitude, and US soldiers are killed, bodies drug through the streets.
US does *NOT* get involved in Rawanda genocide (Europe pulls out fairly soon, as well) and US is blamed for the "racist, colonial" way they allowed Africans to be killed without intervening.
War in Croatia - US gets involved - once again, 'racist, colonial' policy. African complains US only involved because victims are caucasian. Serbs and Croats alternatly support and oppose US invovlvement, depending on the weather. (Yes, I know, real political and social issues, but seemingly as random as the weather to 90% of the people not living in that area of Europe.)
So, US retailiates, it's 'racist and colonial' - not matter if the retaliation is miltary, economic or legal - because the US is the large target. Much easier to blam the US for your countries problems then resolve them yourself - - ESPECIALLY if you are the leader of the country with the problems, and, since you are a dictator, the only retirement possible for you is to be violently overthrown.
The US screws up a lot - I am mad as hell about Kyoto, the UN Declaration of the Rights of the Child, any number of US stupidities. But US detractors are rarely angels, and are most often as bad or even worse.
Ashoka
The Green Destiny
Chieftain
I say NO WAR!!!!!
gjts00
Arrogant American
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