What's happening in Syria right now??

[Joecoolyo]

Russia and China veto UN Syria condemnation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16890107

An Arab and Western-backed resolution condemning the violent crackdown in Syria has been vetoed at the UN Security Council by Russia and China.

They rejected the draft as "unbalanced" hours after activists accused troops of killing at least 55 people at Homs.

Western countries said the move would encourage Syria's government to continue its violent clampdown.

A BBC correspondent who entered Homs with rebels after the vote says gun and shell fire can be heard in the city.

The draft resolution, supported by all 13 other members of the Security Council, had adopted an Arab League call for a "Syrian-led political transition to a democratic, plural political system".

Russia said it singled out the government of President Bashar al-Assad, and did not containing measures against armed opposition groups.

Proposed Russian amendments to the text were described as "unacceptable" by the US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice.

Ms Rice condemned the vetoes as "shameful". It showed, she said, how Russia and China aimed to "sell out the Syrian people and shield a craven tyrant".

Mohammed Loulichki, Morocco's ambassador to the UN and the sole Arab member of the current council, voiced "great regret and disappointment" that Moscow and Beijing had struck it down."

China maintains that, under the current circumstances, to put undue emphasis on pressuring the Syrian government... or impose any solution will not help resolve the Syrian issue," he said.

Dictators supporting dictators, go figure.

 

[Tahuti]

Russia and China veto UN Syria condemnation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16890107

Dictators supporting dictators, go figure.

Praise the lord, pass the ammunition: God wants you to go to war...

 

[Joecoolyo]

What?

 

[kramerfan86]

No, its powers supporting their proxies and sources of influence. The democracies do the same things for their buddies.

 

[Tahuti]

The democracies do the same things for their buddies.

Even if these are dictatorships, may I add...

 

[wilycoyote]

Personally, the Syrians can kill themselves completely. The Israelis can send all the Iranians to concentration camps and Afghanistan can become a openly al Qaeda state. No more war for the USA. If Canada decides to invade America or Germany tries to finish WWII... then fine. Otherwise, who the hell cares if other people kill other people? It isn't our business at this point.

 

[Snorrius]

Russia and China veto UN Syria condemnation

Syrians are lucky to have Russian and Chinese support or they would be reduced to failed state by US+Europe democratizers.

 

[wilycoyote]

Syrians are lucky to have Russian and Chinese support or they would be reduced to failed state by US+Europe democratizers.

You must mean "Syria's rulers," right? Having authoritarian governments support each other isn't good for the average person, anywhere.

 

[kramerfan86]

Even if these are dictatorships, may I add...

Indeed, it is just the way the game is played. The great powers will support their smaller power allies to keep their influence in regions and to antagonize their rivals. Anyone in the western world complaining about this simply doesnt pay attention to how the game is played.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Syrians are lucky to have Russian and Chinese support or they would be reduced to failed state by US+Europe democratizers.

So Syrians are too dumb to rule themselves?

 

[Snorrius]

So Syrians are too dumb to rule themselves?

Too smart to become a failed state you mean? Probably. My Syrian friend SMSed me today thanks to Russian people for vetoing this USEurope nonsense.

 

[Traitorfish]

So Syrians are too dumb to rule themselves?

How could they be, when they're so patently un-Russian?

Assad is clearly the lesser evil in Syria, so I hope he wins.

Y'know, if you keep talking like this, people aren't going to realisethat your avatar is supposed to be a joke.

 

[Snorrius]

Y'know, if you keep talking like this, people aren't going to realisethat your avatar is supposed to be a joke.

But Winner is right. If EU/USA will try to force things Lybian way there will be either another failed state or another (half) religious islamic state which we have enough already.

 

[wilycoyote]

But Winner is right. If EU/USA will try to force things Lybian way there will be either another failed state or another religious islamic state which we have enough already.

How is an Islamic state inherently a bad thing? If that is what the people want, who is anyone to say no to it?

Also, this isn't about changing an otherwise stable regime. It would be about making the inevitable transition less bloody. Again, I don't think the US should be part of this, but you will get a failed state and then probably an Islamic state whether anyone gets involved or not.

 

[kramerfan86]

How is an Islamic state inherently a bad thing? If that is what the people want, who is anyone to say no to it?

Also, this isn't about changing an otherwise stable regime. It would be about making the inevitable transition less bloody. Again, I don't think the US should be part of this, but you will get a failed state and then probably an Islamic state whether anyone gets involved or not.

Tyranny by majority still isnt a particularly good form of government. Better than a straightup dictatorship, but still bad.

 

[wilycoyote]

Tyranny by majority still isnt a particularly good form of government. Better than a straightup dictatorship, but still bad.

Even in republics you get that. Lawmakers everywhere create laws that reflect their views. Gays not being able to marry in the US is an example. I am not saying I would be okay with ethnic/religious cleansing, but otherwise....

 

[Traitorfish]

But Winner is right. If EU/USA will try to force things Lybian way there will be either another failed state or another (half) religious islamic state which we have enough already.

And if it weren't for ol' Benito, Italy would be red. Spare me the clichéd fascist-apologism.

 

[Snorrius]

And if it weren't for ol' Benito, Italy would be red. Spare me the clichéd fascist-apologism.

Syria is not fascist, it is pretty fine secular state. There is no need for changing Assad to some EU/USA/Islamic puppet. Assad should crush rebellious terrorists.

 

[Traitorfish]

Syria is not fascist, it is pretty fine secular state.

Mate, it's a one-party Ba'athist state. If that ain't fascist, then there ain't such thing as fascism.

There is no need for changing Assad to some EU/USA/Islamic puppet. Assad should crush rebellious terrorists.

Looks like Lone Wolf has a challenger for his claim to the "unreformed Stalinist tankie" shtick...

 

[Snorrius]

Mate, it's a one-party Ba'athist state. If that ain't fascist, then there ain't such thing as fascism.

Fascism is a word which has a meaning. Having one party is not fascism just as having two-party system is not fascism either. And Syria is not one-party - there are a lot of parties there. But really what's bad with having one major party? China is fine with one party, Russia is also fine enough with "United Russia" having most of seats in the parliament. And in the Kuwait they do not have any parties at all but doing excellent without.