Where is Poland?

[Leoreth]

But the German word for Poland isn't Poland

What Estonia has in common with Latvia and Lithuania is their anti-Russian sentiment.

Of course this anti-Russian sentiment exists because of Russia did to these three countries in history.

Yeah, that's the reason for the actual "joke" of the comic. But I thought it's nice that Estonia is laughing about how Finland isn't really a Scandinavian country because Finno-Ugric population when the same objection could be made for Estonia's classification as a Baltic country.

Am I overthinking this? Yes.

 

[Borachio]

Is that a historical reference to something though? When did the Baltic states provoke Russia and get it to destroy Poland?

They provoked Russia by seceding from the Russian Federation, didn't they?

And then Poland got it in the neck when the Russians made the President's plane crash, allegedly. Or something.

I don't know. Poland (and it's balls) is a long way over there ---------------->

 

[warpus]

But the German word for Poland isn't Poland

Poland, Polen, whatever

They provoked Russia by ceding from the Russian Federation, didn't they?

From the Soviet Union, after the fall of communism. They immediately turned west-ward, in terms of wanting to join the EU and NATO and crap like that. The Russians especially didn't enjoy the NATO part.

 

[Domen]

because Finno-Ugric population when the same objection could be made for Estonia's classification as a Baltic country.

In Estonia actual Estonians are only something like 50% of population. And something like 40% are Russians.

 

[Traitorfish]

Most of the rest are mountain gnomes. Or so I choose to believe, and will not be shaken from it.

 

[Leoreth]

In Estonia actual Estonians are only something like 50% of population. And something like 40% are Russians.

And neither of them are Baltic.

 

[bhsup]

In Estonia actual Estonians are only something like 50% of population. And something like 40% are Russians.

If they are citizens, they're all Estonians. Is 40% of the country really non-citizen residents?

 

[Leoreth]

I'm pretty sure Domen meant ethnic Estonians and ethnic Russians.

 

[Silurian]

I think not, the Russians did not want to become Estonians

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But that has changed

From Wiki

Between 1992 and 2007 about 147,000 people acquired the citizenship, bringing the proportion of stateless residents from 32% down to about 8 percent.[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Estonia

 

[Traitorfish]

The issue was that the new Estonian Republic didn't recognise Soviet citizenship law, and because most ethnic Russians or their ancestors arrived in Estonia after 1940, they weren't considered automatic citizens. Most of them naturalised in the 1990s, because it simply made sense for both sides, but there are quite a few who haven't, either because they still resent the secession, or because they don't meet the requirements to be considered a fluent speaker of Estonian.

 

[ace99]

So what you're saying is that Estonia should be reunited with Russia?

 

[Lone Wolf]

So what you're saying is that Estonia should be reunited with Russia?

I don't see how that follows...

 

[Traitorfish]

So what you're saying is that Estonia should be reunited with Russia?

...No.

 

[Yeekim]

In Estonia actual Estonians are only something like 50% of population. And something like 40% are Russians.

It is more like 70/25.

EDIT: And no mountain gnomes. As any reasonably educated person should know, Estonia has no mountains.
No mountains, no gnomes.
Lots of mermen and nekkers though.

 

[Traitorfish]

I know that Estonia has no mountains- the gnomes were transported there by Stalin in the late '40s. Likewise, Ukraine isn't natural troll territory, but there's a small population that he exiled from Karelia. He was a right bastard like that.

 

[Domen]

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Regarding population numbers:

According to "Demografia Rzeczypospolitej Przedrozbiorowej" by C. Kukło, population of Poland-Lithuania numbered 11 million around year 1648. This included around 3,9 million in the three central provinces of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland (Greater Poland, Mazovia and Lesser Poland - in total 145,600 square km). Other lands of the Crown (Red Ruthenia, Ukraine, Royal Prussia, etc.) had around 3,1 million inhabitants. Territory of modern Belarus (207,595 square km) had around 2,9 million inhabitants at that time (according to "Historia Białorusi" by E. Mironowicz, O. Łatyszonek). Other lands of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (territory of modern Lithuania and some western parts of modern Russia, etc.) had around 1,1 million inhabitants.

This doesn't include population of vassal states of the Commonwealth (such as Ducal Prussia, Courland). I'm not sure if Livonia is included.

Ethnic Poles were probably between 40% and 50% of population of the Commonwealth.

The remaining 50% - 60% were a huge number of various ethnic and religious groups, but majority of them were East Slavs.

 

[Carras Dad]

Unfortunate the cold war ended 23 years ago.

so? what once was the iron curtain is still easily definable, since the borders of the involved countries have barely changed. east of it: eastern europe.

this has nothing to do with when the cold war ended.

 

[warpus]

A cold war construct is a cold war construct.

As for Polish Muslim Tatars, Charles Bronson is one of them, or at least is a descendent.

 

[Carras Dad]

A cold war construct is a cold war construct.

this is inherently true.

 

[Domen]

Charles Bronson is one of them, or at least is a descendent.

I liked Charles Bronson in "The Dirty Dozen". He also played a Polish guy (Józef Władysław / Joseph Wladislaw) there.

BTW - the real surname of Charles Bronson was Buczyński (or Buchinsky in its Americanized version).

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Throughout history Medieval and Early Modern Poland was an asylum for various persecuted or conquered ethnic and religious minorities - such as Jews, Armenians, Tatars, Scots, Karaims, Vlachs, Gypsies, Germans, Olędrzy (Holländer - Dutch people - refugees from the Netherlands who started escaping to Poland during the Eighty Years' War of 1568 - 1648 and during the rules of Spanish Habsburgs in the Netherlands).