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The Sioux were not a civilization. They should not be in. I have stated that I would want the Native Americans to be split into the Mississippians and the Pueblo.
Which civs should be left out?
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Personally, I don't really play with the American tribes. However, for suggestions on some ore civs, we could include Austria as its own entity, and this is something that people will definitely call me stupid for, but I would love to see the Trojans get in th game. They would be fun to play. Oh, and I would get rid of the Ethiopians too.
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I agree, I don't feel that Ethiopia should be in the franchise anymore.
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Why? The Ethiopians are far more important than any other civilization in Africa. They are essential! From the trading kingdom of Axum to the stone churches of Lalibela to the pillars of Ezana to Menelik II to the Falashas to Ethiopian Christianity to Haile Selassie to even Raiders of the Lost Ark and Rastafarianism!
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Ethiopia, I mean I just don't think they're of great importance. They're not totally significant. I'm noting say they haven't done anything at all- because they did accomplish some things like not being conqured by the Europeans until the mid-1930's by Italy, plus their 1896 victory over Italy, but if I was going to play an African civ, I would play Mali. Still though, I just don't think they warrant inclusion in the game. And no, they're not the most important in African history.
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What did Mali do that was more significant than Ethiopia? What did the Khmers do that is more important than Ethiopia, for that matter? Ethiopia is a great world civilization.
EDIT: Ethiopia isn't important just because of Italy, or even just because of the things I listed above, which you didn't seem to read.
EDIT: Ethiopia isn't important just because of Italy, or even just because of the things I listed above, which you didn't seem to read.
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Well, I had a feeling you were going to criticize the Khmer empire, and I'm not surprised you don't think Mali is important either. And yes, I did read what you wrote. Now, Mali had much more power and influence in their region, and in Africa than Ethiopia did. And as for the Khmer, they are important for being the greatest empire ever in SE Asia, and their city of Angkor Wat was a marveolus city a marvelous creation by a fantastic civ. Ethiopia never did any of those thigns. They were important for trade, and that was about it.
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More important than Egypt or Carthage? I don't know, just because its old, doesn't mean it's important. But I will admit my opinion is not very well founded, I don't have much knowledge of African history.. I will look up some of the things you mentioned and maybe I'll change my mind
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I'm not the smartest about African history myself, but I still don't think the Ethopians are heavily significant. However, if they are kept in the game, who's up for Zimbabwe being included too?
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Well, in my C3C mod (for personal use, not going to release it) I have Nubia, Ethiopia, Mali, and the Shona (Zimbabwe) from Sub-Saharan Africa. But that is keeping in mind the 31 civ limit.
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That's pretty cool actually. But even though we have our disagreements about Ethiopia, at least we agree that Zimbabwe deserves more love:
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Civ, being American, is geared towards an American fan base. Thus, Europe, America's primary focus in history education, is given more attention in the civ list. Thus perhaps the lack of Zimbabwe or other African civs.
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More important than Egypt or Carthage? I don't know, just because its old, doesn't mean it's important. But I will admit my opinion is not very well founded, I don't have much knowledge of African history.. I will look up some of the things you mentioned and maybe I'll change my mind
I wasn't counting Egypt or Carthage, sorry
I use Africa as short-hand for Sub-Saharan Africa.
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It's the same thing with Asian civs too. I personaly wouldn't mind see the Thai or someone else similar to join the Khmer.
I would think that the Americas suffer more than Asia in this department.
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I think that definitely Srivijaya and possibly Siam or Burma should join the Khmers. I'm all for inclusion.
Sorry to get so far OT. Responding to the OP, I think the HRE should not make an appearance in Civ V.
EDIT: @Camikaze: I agree. I think that, for native cultures, Norte Chico and Olmecs should be in, as should the Pueblo and Mississippians. Perhaps Brazil would be a good candidate as well.
Sorry to get so far OT. Responding to the OP, I think the HRE should not make an appearance in Civ V.
EDIT: @Camikaze: I agree. I think that, for native cultures, Norte Chico and Olmecs should be in, as should the Pueblo and Mississippians. Perhaps Brazil would be a good candidate as well.
I'm a fan of Bolivarian South America (I don't really no what to call it. Colombia?). It would be a nice addition to the game as the most important modern South American nation. With Simon Bolivar as the leader, of course. It would sufficiently (or at least partially) fill the void in South America).
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Agreed! And if they want another Civ in that region why not the ancient Olmecs? And of course I'm talking the Americas in general. And yes, I would love to see Siam!
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Well I would be more in favor of Brazil, considering its massive size, population, diversity, and distinctive culture.
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