Which country is the most nationalistic?

[Camikaze]

@Shekwan- not going to dispute anything you've said, but I'm curious as to why you mentioned Holden v Ford. I've never heard of any nationalism remotely relating to that (other than 'V8 is better than NASCAR').

 

[Shekwan]

@Shekwan- not going to dispute anything you've said, but I'm curious as to why you mentioned Holden v Ford. I've never heard of any nationalism remotely relating to that (other than 'V8 is better than NASCAR').

I'm being purely anecdotal.

I assumed it was an idiot talking to me. Holden vs Anything would be more accurate if I was to generalise. Maybe its just a Queensland thing. Dunno.

 

[GoodGame]

Totally subjective, based loosely on news, personal experience, and internet comments.

Thanks for taking the time to draw that. LOL

 

[Masada]

Why Australia? Most of the antipodean posters are critical of the place... maybe that's it.

I assumed it was an idiot talking to me. Holden vs Anything would be more accurate if I was to generalise. Maybe its just a Queensland thing. Dunno.

The only redeeming quality about Queensland is the presence of large amounts of New Zealanders in the Gold Coast. Otherwise, its a horrible state like Western Australia or New South Wales. The former sucks because its the whitest of the capital cities and has far to many Boers (i.e. more than one). The latter is terrible because the police wear jackboots, Sydney isn't actually all that good, the government is incompetent, the population are full of themselves and their trashy state and they keep trying to infect the whole darn country with their particular brands of retardation.

 

[Elta]

Elta's observation was directed a Mexicans and not Americans of Mexican decent. But those people you speak of are in fact mostly just angry teens who are in love with the [insert your counter-culture/power movement of choice] most of whom have never spent any time in Old Mexico. Some of it is a result of alienation from racism and negative attitude that many Americans have toward Mexican immigrants.

Mexicans generally have a pessimistic view of their country, government, military and police.

This a million times over, I can't stand these kids.


I have friends in MEChA and although they have nothing to do with the whole Aztlan thing the way right wing media tries to make it out to be.

I still hate the organization with passion of a thousand burning suns.

.....I'll stop this rant right now and just start a new thread.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

Its obvious US is the most nationalistic.

 

[Elta]

China is right up there with the U.S. I think.

Japan is too, more in a cultural chauvinistic sort of way though.

 

[Kennigit]

China can be pretty darn nationalistic though. But I don't know what the mass of people in china actually feel. But USA #1.

edit- of course, before you ask, I hope everyone read the thread on Alaska's secession

 

[ZeletDude]

I'd definitely say U.S.A from living here. and Judging how much people around me love it.

 

[Renner]

Totally subjective, based loosely on news, personal experience, and internet comments.

Fixed!

 

[Tani Coyote]

To be fair, at least most of the nationalist countries have good reasoning.

USA - Sheer economic and military might. We also have historical pride, due to well, having a Constitution that has been emulated throughout much of the World, and having for a while been a beacon of rights and freedoms(Europe unfortunately caught up shortly afterward... damn Napoleon). What's sad is we STILL believe we're the king of rights and freedoms, though the disparity is nowhere near what it used to be; Europe's democratic, all the basic rights are secured, etc. We just fight about the specifics, but we're both free by a large margin.

China - History, again(though based on power position as much as culture), but also approaching the USA's economic and military might as time goes on.

Britain - Still a bit potent, but history's their primary motivator. They were once the greatest nation on Earth.

Russia - Again, a bit potent regionally and with great potential for growth and strength when applied right. History wins again.

Europe - the odd Euro-nationalism. Europe has slowly broken away its old nationalism to form a new super nationalism. Once it takes hold, European nationalism will be fully justified due to the great economic power and influence the EU will hold.

Many other places though just seem to be insane and make up their pride as if they feel inadequate.

 

[azzaman333]

The subjects I was informed on: Holden>Ford

Half the rev heads support Holden, half support Ford. It's most certainly not a national thing.


The USA is the most nationalistic.

 

[Shekwan]

USA - Sheer economic and military might. We also have historical pride, due to well, having a Constitution that has been emulated throughout much of the World, and having for a while been a beacon of rights and freedoms(Europe unfortunately caught up shortly afterward... damn Napoleon). What's sad is we STILL believe we're the king of rights and freedoms, though the disparity is nowhere near what it used to be; Europe's democratic, all the basic rights are secured, etc. We just fight about the specifics, but we're both free by a large margin.

Its no longer the largest economic entity.

Military is US nationalism's only leg to stand on now, and the last decade has proven that its not been all that useful to face the threats presented by the post Cold War world.

Everywhere that the US form of government has been closely copied has been a failure so I guess you can be proud of the fact you guys actually kind of made it work.

Of course this all presupposes one looks at it rationally, which is the weakness of the nationalist.

Europe - the odd Euro-nationalism. Europe has slowly broken away its old nationalism to form a new super nationalism. Once it takes hold, European nationalism will be fully justified due to the great economic power and influence the EU will hold.

This is not happening anywhere. Fair enough as a prediction for the future but nationalism in Europe, with the exception of local crazies, is largely confined to football alone.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Its no longer the largest economic entity.

The largest single economic entity. Europe can only beat us if they all come together, and there are quite a few bumps in the road at times between them.

And I never mentioned it was the largest, just sheer economic might. We do make about 1/4 of the wealth despite having only 1/25 of the population. That's fairly mighty by most standards.

Everywhere that the US form of government has been closely copied has been a failure so I guess you can be proud of the fact you guys actually kind of made it work.

Indeed. Dare I say USA #1?

I'm sure there are reasons, as I've said before, that it has failed. Federalism, for one, is said to be fairly reliant on wealthy nations, due to the fact the political structure is enormously larger because of the semi-independent states and such.

Commitment to institutions is another concept. Europeans love to mock us for being so irrationally anti-government, but who knows. Maybe that played a role in why our government has been successful.

I don't know. I haven't devoted my life to studying what makes federalism and the US system work. It works for us, and that's all that matters.

This is not happening anywhere. Fair enough as a prediction for the future but nationalism in Europe, with the exception of local crazies, is largely confined to football alone.

Europe will definitely develop some sort of strong national identity. Maybe not the arrogant brand of nationalism, but certainly some sort of identity if it becomes a functional entity.

Of course, this is a rather big if.

 

[fugazi]

Turkey is an EXTREMELY nationalistic country. I could write a book of what I've seen since I've been here. There has to be a picture of Ataturk in every office. Singers have received death threats and been arrested for singing songs in Kurdish. If you look at facebook pages, many people are fans of the Turkish flag, upload photos of Ataturk, some have pictures of the Grey Wolves (Turkish nationalist group) and there's a campaign against having facebook in Kurdish (which lost). You can be arrested for criticizing Ataturk and Turkish culture. Every school classroom has an Ataturk corner where they have pictures from his life and family. There are also pictures of people like Atilla the Hun who have only a slight connection to Turks but if you believe in Pan-Turkism then they're all Turks. In my experience this isn't just something that the government promotes but is actually strongly accepted by many many people. Many people hate Orhan Pamuk because he made a statement in support of Kurds and Armenians.

America is also very nationalist. At least the government doesn't force it on people. I think a lot of it comes from ignorance. Many Americans talk about how our country is free and that makes us the greatest. They don't realize many other countries are free. America does have more of an extreme of freedom, in many other western countries you can be arrested for hate speech and there are stricter gun control laws. It's a compromise.

Im amazed that Turkey wasn't included in the OP. From my personal experience Turks are the scariest nationalists to be found on this planet.

 

[PiMan]

Half the rev heads support Holden, half support Ford. It's most certainly not a national thing.

Yeah, anyone who knows anything about these companies will realise that it is silly to be nationalistic about Holden, since it is owned by GM and has been for about 80 years. The Holden/Ford debate is an internal one, and usually revolves around the Bathurst 1000 and/or comparisons between the Holden Commodore and the Ford Falcon.

 

[Shekwan]

The largest single economic entity. Europe can only beat us if they all come together, and there are quite a few bumps in the road at times between them.

And I never mentioned it was the largest, just sheer economic might. We do make about 1/4 of the wealth despite having only 1/25 of the population. That's fairly mighty by most standards.

Yeah but not exceptional. This isn't the 1950s anymore, the US is not by far and away the most developed country.

Indeed. Dare I say USA #1?

I'm sure there are reasons, as I've said before, that it has failed. Federalism, for one, is said to be fairly reliant on wealthy nations, due to the fact the political structure is enormously larger because of the semi-independent states and such.

Commitment to institutions is another concept. Europeans love to mock us for being so irrationally anti-government, but who knows. Maybe that played a role in why our government has been successful.

I don't know. I haven't devoted my life to studying what makes federalism and the US system work. It works for us, and that's all that matters.

Yes, I suppose the fact it actually worked is something to be proud of. I would be more proud of the political culture than the actual system in that case.

Europe will definitely develop some sort of strong national identity. Maybe not the arrogant brand of nationalism, but certainly some sort of identity if it becomes a functional entity.

Of course, this is a rather big if.

That is only because you are looking at it in the frame of mind of the nation state. The EU is an unique entity, perhaps it won't need mindless nationalism to inspire confidence in it.

 

[Glassfan]

I suspect those countries with true press freedom have the least nationalism. In the States, everbody and everything is questioned by the media. No President, blue or red, can state a position or make a point without press criticism and "tough" (hostile) questions. Where media is restricted, nationalism is promoted. Have you guys read the stories about Chinese controls on the press and the Internet?

I would suggest that certain middle eastern countries and China are more nationalistic than America or Europe. Are you familiar with Han chauvinism?

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

1. Poland, 2. UK.

I suspect those countries with true press freedom have the least nationalism. In the States

Blablabla...

 

[TheLastOne36]

Don't know why people are saying Poland.

Us Poles love our country through and through just like Germans, Aussies, Americans, Italians etc.

But we are very critical about it at the same time.

I am guessing people base their views from their experience on this site. Well it's the result of having to constantly defend your country against trolls. :|