While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

[Angst]

You made me go into the forum and look for the NES. You made me look!!!

 

[Daftpanzer]

I like it Iggy. I like it a lot

Only yellow and white stars though?

 

[Northen Wolf]

I like it Iggy. I like it a lot

Only yellow and white stars though?

Dang it, your avatar just makes me want to run X-COM NES, where players are alien factions

 

[Daftpanzer]

I've been thinking about running another XCOM computer game 'NES' for a laugh. Maybe on the All Other Games forum this time. The global conspiracy of NESers try to maintain control of the world vs the alien interlopers. One base challenge, three ex-soviet aircraft to protect the whole world, no reloading to save people (at all), see how long people can survive

 

[Adrogans]

I join your team!

 

[Lord_Iggy]

I like it Iggy. I like it a lot

Only yellow and white stars though?

No, all uncivilized/unclaimed stars are shown as white, regardless of their actual colour.

I've been thinking about running another XCOM computer game 'NES' for a laugh. Maybe on the All Other Games forum this time. The global conspiracy of NESers try to maintain control of the world vs the alien interlopers. One base challenge, three ex-soviet aircraft to protect the whole world, no reloading to save people (at all), see how long people can survive

I'd be in!

 

[Angst]

I've been thinking about running another XCOM computer game 'NES' for a laugh. Maybe on the All Other Games forum this time. The global conspiracy of NESers try to maintain control of the world vs the alien interlopers. One base challenge, three ex-soviet aircraft to protect the whole world, no reloading to save people (at all), see how long people can survive

I'd join.

 

[qoou]

Neomu neomu meotjyeo nooni nooni busyeo, sumeul moht shigesseo tteollineun geol,
Gee-gee gee-gee, baby baby baby; gee-gee gee-gee, baby baby baby

 

[LightFang]

Neomu neomu meotjyeo nooni nooni busyeo, sumeul moht shigesseo tteollineun geol,
Gee-gee gee-gee, baby baby baby; gee-gee gee-gee, baby baby baby

Why do you feel the need to sully our thread with kpop?

 

[Abaddon]

History does not have to repeat itself...

Weak response based on pointless cliche.

Not at all. If it is not possible to change events, what's the point of nesing? Key battles can go different ways, different leadership can drive their nation into an entirely different direction to that of otl.

I think what silver means is that there is no plausible way for Vijayanagar to develop a capable military. Of course things can be changed, but that doesn't answer silver's original post, which illustrates not why Vijayanagar didn't have a capable military but why it couldn't have had one.

It can't change things overnight, but anything is possible if you have money. Otl those leaders choose not to spend in a way possible in Nesing. Guns can be bought, expertise sought etc etc...Hindsight is 2020, so we can take different paths, concentrate our nations wealth on different things than otl.

IMO that's the whole fun of nesing. Making your nation something greater than it came to be in otl.

No competent mod should ever allow, for example, Portugal to conquer all Europe, Abaddon. If something utterly implausible comes true, that is a reflection of the mod's incapability and the player's OOC conduct, not of the player's outstanding skill.

OOC: There's no point of discussing this spryllino. Abaddon and silver (along with me) have discussed this countless times to no conclusion. Abaddon seems to believe that determination and money can change a nation's inherent structure so that it can do other stuff than OTL; silver disagrees and etc etc.

Agreed, Don't know why you would nes if you expect everything to happen the same as in history. Why even let players take control of these nations with a handicap or such an advantage.

Tl Dr: can you seriously change a nations path, or should history be adhered to?

 

[Adrogans]

Personally if you are using historical nations as a starting point then you need to take into account all aspects of that culture/nation. In the case you are discussing reforming it would be very difficult and bankruptingly expensive because of the internal opposition such drastic reform would take and the threats to all the wealth and such provided by the status quo.

But I think to a degree it should be possible or else why play a game.

Its a quandry but ultimately the player could try it and it would take very skillful orders and much luck if there is any involved in the rule set to accomplish it with that particular nation.

 

[qoou]

There are many things in history that were decided by nothing more than temporary sleep deprivation, lack of self-confidence, etc. There are many times when history could have significantly changed had a single person made a different decision. And in these situations, when such a decision could be changed by an extra two hours of sleep, waking up from a good dream feeling self-confident, etc, imo it's perfectly acceptable for the NESer to go down the other path. And due to the butterfly effect, this can lead to some very drastic changes.

For example, in BirdNES 3, I decided to act as though Janos Corvinus had a bit more self-confidence. In OTL, Janos Corvinus didn't press his claims on the Hungarian throne, even though his father had done so much to ensure his legitimacy. In BirdNES 3, he simply decided that he had the right to the throne, and this may lead to a very different South-Eastern/Central/whatever_that_is Europe.

Of course, it's incredibly hard to draw a line between when such actions are ok, and when they become to OOC. But there is a clear difference between say, an early 1800s China emperor deciding to follow the ways of the barbarous Europeans, and say Charles being overcocky and stingy in 1519 and Francis I being elected Holy Roman Emperor instead.


Edit: That's probably a bad example actually.

Why do you feel the need to sully our thread with kpop?

Because of the codeine currently in my system.

 

[Dachs]

Edit: That's probably a bad example actually.

"Bad" here having the meaning of "spoiler alert for BirdNES3"?

 

[Kraznaya]

Hindsight is 2020, so we can take different paths, concentrate our nations wealth on different things than otl.

SUMMARY: I'd prefer to not think about history at all unless I can use out of character obtained knowledge drawn from later periods to manipulate my stats and grow my color on the map. That way I can avoid research and learning about history as much as possible, which I need to avoid anyway if I am to save what little brain matter I have <snip>. I also don't understand there is a difference between plausible alternative paths and fantastical ones, and obfuscate to argue in favor of both, although unsurprisingly I want to be able to pursue the latter.

 

[Adrogans]

Personally I tend to make personalities and goals for the ruler, or ruling party as the case may be and work from there instead of worrying so much about history.

 

[qoou]

What do you all think of using modern economic theory, political theory, etc, to advance your not-so-modern NES country?

 

[Dachs]

Probably difficult to avoid

 

[Birdjaguar]

Probably difficult to avoid

If you were playing my game, Dachs, I'd have to insist that you not use any of your history knowledge while playing....

 

[Dachs]

Nah, I'd probably be wont to do dumb stuff too like take over the Teutonic Order or something

 

[Birdjaguar]

That my friend is a marvelous opportunity. Can I put you down?