Who is the most nationalistic group on the Forums?

[cybrxkhan]

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I also don't like bashing people on the forums, but I have to make this one exception. I know this will be rude, but it doesn't matter. I have met almost no one as cynical. It just saddens me that people are like this in the world. People who would scoff at their own mothers, just because their mothers are not "good enough for them". I can understand scoffing at others, at enemies, friends, relatives, even your own children and spouse, but your parents... that I find disturbing.

Love is love. Ideally, it is not selective.

cybrxkhan

 

[dwaxe]

I have just one thing to say -- USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA.

 

[dutchking]

No. People are responsible for their own decisions. If someone makes a stupid decision, it is entirely their fault. There's no sense getting depressed over people shooting themselves in the foot, because there's very little you can do about it. I would do everything I could to prevent my child from becoming a drug user, but once they chose to ignore my lessons I would no longer be able to sympathize with them.

OK Mr. Hitler!
Let's see...
So your saying...
If your child get's addicted to Opium or some other drug/alcohol/etc. you'd say when they come to you looking for guidance:
"Screw you, I told you not to get into that ...... years ago. Go away you little bastard."
Umm...ok?!?!
I read your previous posts and you really are going over the top with that cold hearted bastard stuff. I'm sure your getting to other people here as well.
[EDIT]
@ cybrxkhan-I read your previous posts, and I completely agree with you as well. You don't love your mother for:

"How good she's taken care of me so far."

You love her because she is your mother. Atleast that's my point of view. Anyway...Peng Qi, your heartless. You and Dick Cheney would make a good couple.

 

[Peng Qi]

I also don't like bashing people on the forums, but I have to make this one exception. I know this will be rude, but it doesn't matter. I have met almost no one as cynical. It just saddens me that people are like this in the world. People who would scoff at their own mothers, just because their mothers are not "good enough for them". I can understand scoffing at others, at enemies, friends, relatives, even your own children and spouse, but your parents... that I find disturbing.

Love is love. Ideally, it is not selective.

cybrxkhan

I actually do not find being called cynical to be "bashing" me. I am very cynical. I call myself cynical all the time, and what causes this cynicism is that people who truly need help are so often denied it and, indeed, exploited because of their weakness. It saddens me deeply to see drug addicts and criminals having more concessions and care given to them than normal people. It depresses me to see that we spend millions of dollars trying to find cures for STDs that people brought on themselves when we could just as easily spend that money on food for the millions of people in the world who are starving because they got unlucky and had their fields flooded out. Did you know that there's a jail in California in the United States that gives its inmates (female or male) free breast reduction surgery at the expense of taxpayers? That's an insane thing to do when there are non-criminal poor people who need medical treatment in order to stay alive who can't afford it.

I just have my priorities in order. If that makes me a heartless cynic, then so be it.

 

[dutchking]

^OK.

Did you know that there's a jail in California in the United States that gives its inmates (female or male) free breast reduction surgery at the expense of taxpayers? That's an insane thing to do when there are non-criminal poor people who need medical treatment in order to stay alive who can't afford it.

1. That is a point. It's actually good.
This country has a lot of crap like that...
2. Your political compass is in Nazi land. Not much of a surprise actually...anyway...your cynicism is over the line. IMO. With letting your children die and not caring and not loving your mother. That's way over the line IMO.
[edit] One last point that your working against yourself:

I actually do not find being called cynical to be "bashing" me. I am very cynical. I call myself cynical all the time, and what causes this cynicism is that people who truly need help are so often denied it and, indeed, exploited because of their weakness. It saddens me deeply to see drug addicts and criminals having more concessions and care given to them than normal people. It depresses me to see that we spend millions of dollars trying to find cures for STDs that people brought on themselves when we could just as easily spend that money on food for the millions of people in the world who are starving because they got unlucky and had their fields flooded out. Did you know that there's a jail in California in the United States that gives its inmates (female or male) free breast reduction surgery at the expense of taxpayers? That's an insane thing to do when there are non-criminal poor people who need medical treatment in order to stay alive who can't afford it.

I just have my priorities in order. If that makes me a heartless cynic, then so be it.

 

[cybrxkhan]

i don't want to say more, but i feel i have to.

i have a friend whos a cynic. a heartless cynic, yeah. so i know your style.

there are two cynics in this world, or so i have seen. theres the healthy one - who just knows the world isn't that great of a place, then there are those that say that its a useless arrogant jerky place.


i also don't understand how you can compare drug addicts to criminals. drug addicts don't do any wrong to others - just themselves. criminals do wrong to others.

i don't know. this is just... i don't know.

cybrxkhan

 

[Peng Qi]

2. Your political compass is in Nazi land. Not much of a surprise actually...anyway...your cynicism is over the line. IMO. With letting your children die and not caring and not loving your mother. That's way over the line IMO.

Actually, Nazi land would require me to be economically centrist or leftist. Fascist land would require a bit more authoritarianism (like a 7.5 or 8). I just feel like the government has more rights to control its populace in terms of ethics than most people do; a lot of the questions on the compass test are about government enforcement of ethics like abortion. I would never, for example, support the institution of any racist policies or groundless imperialism like the Nazis did (and in fact would merrily fight against any government that did, physically if necessary).

I do realize that my lack of concern for my immediate genetic relations is out of sync with most people, but I just don't feel like I owe my mother anything just for popping me out. Sure, I owe her for the more-than-a-decade of taking care of me, but that wasn't the question. Same thing if I ever have children; I will have an obligation to take care of them to the best of my ability because I will have forced existence on them, but if they ignore me then there's really nothing I can do about it and I'm not going to stress out over it.

And cybr, in most countries, drug addicts are criminals.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Sure, I owe her for the more-than-a-decade of taking care of me, but that wasn't the question.

no, it was the question whether you do care anything about her because she cared about you. because you owe her, because she wasted time on you, therefore, you should owe her, waste time on her.

but if they ignore me then there's really nothing I can do about it and I'm not going to stress out over it.

you still could fix them. simply giving up once they ignore you isn't right; maybe if they just beat the crap outa you, say your load of lecturing is the most useless peice of **** they've ever heard, and worse, yea, you can't do anything.

but still, they're children. children don't know anything. thats what a parents for. to help raise the child. to right its wrongs when it does wrong. not to ignore them when they ignore you.


if i were dying of some drug addiction, and my children say, "stupid, you are such a moron", that would make me more depressed than i already am. but then again, i am not you. but i seriously don't think many people are like you, no offense. and sometimes uniqueness isn't a good thing.

cybrxkhan

 

[downtown]

Mormon blues musicians.

 

[dutchking]

no, it was the question whether you do care anything about her because she cared about you. because you owe her, because she wasted time on you, therefore, you should owe her, waste time on her.




you still could fix them. simply giving up once they ignore you isn't right; maybe if they just beat the crap outa you, say your load of lecturing is the most useless peice of **** they've ever heard, and worse, yea, you can't do anything.

but still, they're children. children don't know anything. thats what a parents for. to help raise the child. to right its wrongs when it does wrong. not to ignore them when they ignore you.


if i were dying of some drug addiction, and my children say, "stupid, you are such a moron", that would make me more depressed than i already am. but then again, i am not you. but i seriously don't think many people are like you, no offense. and sometimes uniqueness isn't a good thing.

cybrxkhan

I agree with cybrxkhan completely. And you are in Nazi land Peng Qi. You htink the government should bud into peoples private lives, and you are extremely cold and right winged.

 

[Peng Qi]

I agree with cybrxkhan completely. And you are in Nazi land Peng Qi. You htink the government should bud into peoples private lives, and you are extremely cold and right winged.

Actually, right-wing people tend to be a lot more caring about people who are suffering. If anything, my lack of a desire to show compassion for those that have brought their suffering on themselves is one of my few left-wing traits. It's liberalism that primarily claims that people should be responsible for their own decisions. Authoritarianism usually says "oh, we'll handle that for you." What makes me authoritarian is my belief that the government has a responsibility to try to make its population engage in ethical behavior. What makes me economically right is my belief that the free market is the most efficient economic system.

And, once again, I'm only cold toward people who are purposefully hurting themselves. I have great compassion toward people who are victims of circumstance.

 

[cybrxkhan]

And, once again, I'm only cold toward people who are purposefully hurting themselves. I have great compassion toward people who are victims of circumstance.

you are very cold, you know that? i just hope you don't freeze yourself.

cybrxkhan

 

[alex sword]

Dear Peng Qi, I am still waiting for answers:

You wrote:

4. Priorities have been placed on rebuilding infrastructure and industry and not fighting drugs.

I wonder in which direction this transition is. If year ago "only" 12.6% of total Afghan population was involved into narcoindustry, this year - 14.3%, opium part of GDP jumped from 11% in 2006 to 13% in 2007. Are you 100% that all this corresponds to USA plans and intentions as you said above? Are you 100% sure USA controls the situation at all and this opium GDP increase is a part of some strategic plan? I would really like to understand what the plan is... If we extrapolate the current trend the whole Afghan economy will be based on "idiots who use heroin".

thanks! Alex.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

The true aryans came from Iran. When the ice age ended we migrated into Europe. The people of Iran are persians and arabs with a few exceptions there are no real aryans left there.

 

[Peng Qi]

thanks! Alex.

You were twisting my words to mean something I never said, so I didn't bother responding. I am 100% certain that the most logical explanation for the rise in opium production is due to fighting drugs just not being the current primary goal of the new government or of the allied forces in Afghanistan. It's much more important to get industry, infrastructure, schools, etc. up and running and to fight the Taliban into submission. After that we can worry about opium production.

 

[frob2900]

The true aryans came from Iran. When the ice age ended we migrated into Europe. The people of Iran are persians and arabs with a few exceptions there are no real aryans left there.

Are you a true aryan?

 

[alex sword]

alex sword wrote:

Pend Qi wrote:

4. Priorities have been placed on rebuilding infrastructure and industry and not fighting drugs.

I wonder in which direction this transition is. If year ago "only" 12.6% of total Afghan population was involved into narcoindustry, this year - 14.3%, opium part of GDP jumped from 11% in 2006 to 13% in 2007. Are you 100% that all this corresponds to USA plans and intentions as you said above? Are you 100% sure USA controls the situation at all and this opium GDP increase is a part of some strategic plan? I would really like to understand what the plan is... If we extrapolate the current trend the whole Afghan economy will be based on "idiots who use heroin".

Pend Qi wrote:

You were twisting my words to mean something I never said, so I didn't bother responding. I am 100% certain that the most logical explanation for the rise in opium production is due to fighting drugs just not being the current primary goal of the new government or of the allied forces in Afghanistan. It's much more important to get industry, infrastructure, schools, etc. up and running and to fight the Taliban into submission. After that we can worry about opium production.

If USA and other countries are investing in Afghan industry and infrastructure, why it happens that last year 12.6% of total Afghan population was involved into narcoindustry and this year - 14.3%? Why opium part of GDP has increased from 11% to 13%?

Looks like, that even if some factories are built, not the factories are sky-rocketing but opium-farms. Looks like, that even if USA *want* to create some Western-like democracy and industrialized country there, their citizens prefer something very different. Some of them are fighting with rifles with coalition soldiers - recent news http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/01/afghanistan.taliban.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch - , but this is only a top of iceberg. Also there is a lot of "peaciful peasants who, perhaps, appreciate democracy values" - actually each *fifth* of these guys is fighting with Western countries by poisoning their citizens with heroin.

That's why I am saying USA-sponsored Afghan reforms made the situation worse than it was in 2001, I see facts and I see results - by exporting heroin, each year they are killing much more Western, Asian and Russian people than it was killed in 11 Sep. And bin Laden is still walking somewhere. I am pretty sure, a great deal of the heroin earnings, is used to buy new weapon against coalition. Very strange democracy is built in this country, - bastardized democracy, if you ask me.

Finally, I don't see *any* reasons why this bastardized democracy with opium-based economy could be considered as a succesfull project.

 

[skallben]

In every scenario, the person made a conscious choice to destroy themselves. That's the line I draw. I'd help any and all of them up until that decision, but once they made it I would spend time on other people unless they showed some real, strong desire to actually fix their problems on their own.

As for the United States military? If it didn't exist, you'd all be beholden to every petty thug and dictator in the entire world. It's pretty much us, Russia, and China keeping the world in one piece. Would you rather trust it to them and their authoritarianism, or us and our generally libertine attitude?

I was trying to explain to you that alot of people who fall into drug abuse are victims of circumstances. Have you ever been close to someone who is close to their breaking point? Im not talking some teenage depression, Im talking people whom when you make eye contact, look like they are allready dead. People who have lost all hope and reasons to fight the difficulties in their lives. It's when people hit rock bottom (unless they are really dumb) they fall into abuse and addiction of substances. People with noone left that cares about them and society offers little help. You could argue that they fall into it by choice and there is a little truth in it, however Im pretty sure alot of people would not be declared as "psychologically sane" when they do these decisions. Judging people over decisions made in irrational states of mind such as desperation, or just clinical mental disorders that often follow traumatic experiences is not cynical, it is beyond cynism. It is a lack of respect for the value of human life. I do not think you are a nazi by and means, that is very harsh. I just disagree strongly with what you are saying.

About the U.S military:
Military spendings during Clinton's reign was more than enough to keep a deterrant army in place. Im aware that American citizens are constantly told that their world-police errands are justifying the HUGE army you have and world would be chaos without it. I would go as far as to say that it is simply propaganda or even a blatant lie. The biggest countries in the world sure act as peacekeepers and deterrants but Americas military expenses was almost 7 times the size of China's, who by the way have the second largest military expenses (and more than four times the US population). There are no rogue states or terrorist organizations in the world capable of even remotely threatening the major states in the world. This was numbers from 2005, Americas military have expanded further since. One word: Overkill.

What the Bush-cartel have created with their war-mongering and neo-arms race is just that the rest of the world now also starts producing more weapons and maintant larger armies.

America with allies control somewhere between two thirds to three quarters of the worlds armed forces. Our alliance allready won domination victory decades ago and we are still building armies instead of helping the poor and exploited citizens of the world. Im ashamed of our politicians in the western world.

 

[alex sword]

Skallben:

Our alliance allready won domination victory decades ago...

Which alliance do you mean? All these WWI-II alliances were just temporary unions, which were degraded as soon as the goal was reached. Domination victory in Civ 4 terms is to control not less than 66% of world territory and have not less than <any another civ populaton +25%>. To control = either capture it or vassalize. Defense pact is not enough.

Even if you imagine that all NATO members are vassals of one country (Poland, for instance), they are far from domination victory.

But, I think, if China vassalizes all NATO countries plus India (for population) plus Russia (for its large territory), perhaps, they will have a good chance to win by domination.

Another way to win is to start heavy nuking, 1) spoil all fertile land, 2) kill EVERYONE except one President (or Bin Laden, if you prefer this option) and this President (or Bin Laden) will be a domination winner!

And I know one guaranteed way how NOT to win diplomacy victory. Just start "proactive sponsorship" ("proactive" = using bombers and other peacenik tools) of government reforms in other countries. It does not matter if you sponsor communism or democracy changes. Soon you will find that people don't like you.

 

[Angst]

Haha 'that Vietnamese Kid'

:rofl: