Who says the American government doesn't disappear people without trial? NEW MEXICO!!

have you heard of show called [wiki]Solitary (TV Series)[/wiki]? The basic premise is that contestant go through weeks of solitary confinement and series tests, if they hadn't agreed to go on a show, they might be classified as torture.

EDIT. The whole point of MB's comment is to say that even though what went on was wrong, America has a way of righting wrongs.
Pretty goddamn big difference between people willingly participating in a game show that they know they can quit at any time and being locked in a cell with no idea of when (or if) you will ever get out.

$15M is not enough to make right what he went through. No amount of money is.
 
This is going to sound incredibly American of me, but you can't put a price on freedom.

No amount is worth it if it happens against your will. If you are asked beforehand - yes, then that is fair game. Otherwise no

Would you put a price of the freedom to live?
 
I would trade the money for being able to kick the jail warden in the balls.

Sometimes you wonder about Dorner.....

 
"Ease up, Francis"? That is essentially what you stated. :crazyeye:

Rofl, not at all, and fwiw, not even close. For someone who cries about being misquoted so much you sure do take delight in trying to do it to others.

You will literally try to rationalize and defend any reprehensible act until you see you have to backtrack from it. And even then you don't really do so:

What part of 'i'm not defending this' are you having trouble comprehending? And as I never defended it, I dont have to backtrack from it.

This simply should not happen in any modern country, much less one with our Bill of Rights:

Such error and oversight (or if you want to call it criminal behavior) happens in every nation on the planet as long as humans are involved. This has nothing to do nationally, and the fact that you think it says something nationally is just stupid.

I'd even go as far to say this is about NM only, and even more specific to that, to the specific prison involved.

And no, thats not rationalizing or defending the situation either. What was done to the guy was reprehensible; but he got a great settlement for his troubles.

All you can think about is how much money he made and how many people would supposedly take his place for that sum of money, even though he will likely soon die from lung cancer.

The cancer has nothing to do with what happened to him. Even the story mentions that.

And why not discuss people who would volunteer to endure crap like that for a huge sum of money? Do you not think that worthy of discussion? Or does it detract from you trying to 'blame the entire USA' as you seem to be attempting to do?

There is no sum of money that can make such treatment acceptable.

Acceptable? No. But thats not to say some wouldnt sign up for it for a sum of money like that. I'm sure some would.

This is an example of what should have been your only reaction to this incident:

I dont post to make you happy, sorry.

Instead, you nitpicked which level of government was responsible.

Of course you think being accurate about this would be nitpicking since you never hesistate to blame all of America for crap that happens even in specific instances like this. Spare me.

Being correct in the perspective of this issue isnt nitpicking at all. You'd make this out to be a national issue, when it simply isnt.

And you discussed the compensation he received, contrary to the wishes of the county, which supposedly made this incident something that a number of people would have willingly endured.

Well, his compensation is indeed part of the story itself is it not? Or is it off-limits since you deem it so?

This thread is great. Conservatives defending the federal government for once and pointing out that it's the state authorities that are crazy. And apparently you can forcibly detain someone in miserable conditions as long as you pay him a lot later (which they haven't been willing to do, it seems).

There is nothing to defend in regarding the federal government in this case as it is utterly not involved at all. Nothing to defend.

And fwiw, no one is saying what you allege....at all.

You put way too much worth in money and material wealth. That these sorts of comments is what you chose to share with us regarding this story is .. somewhat disturbing. but that's just me

Does the truth of my comment shock you? That there are people in the world that would do this for that amount of money?

Perhaps, as a paralegal, I've seen so much of the darker side of man that i'm not shocked by that at all. In fact, I've come to expect it from some. I've worked all kinds of cases; from child porn and abuse, to serial killers. Nothing surprises me anymore.
 
This is an incredibly dumb comment.
Sorry. I was trying to figure out what he meant by what he received nto being enough, and no amount being enough. I really didn't know if he meant the money wasn't important or what. I apologize for being dumb.
 
Goddamit they should throw in jail every single person who even just walked near his cell and lose the key. Maybe add those cops who arrested him, too.
 
No criminal charges is the thing which is freaking unbelievable here. MobBoss is right. People can and some will be pigs.
But those pigs committed a crime. And nothing happens. No prosecutor action.
That said I think it is easy to underestimate the lasting psychological damage of such treatment and how its costs relate to the benefits of being rich. There can things be happening in your brain removed from your control. Especially if it is not some sort of game.
 
So then he shouldn't be awarded any money?

Some might argue that no, he shouldn't be 'awarded' the money, as it dehumanises the wrong, or monetizes the harm, and leads to a perverse sort of jealousy of the victim, or belief that no net harm has resulted, that can be seen in some comments in this thread. Which is not to say the wrong should not be addressed, but rather than monetary compensation is a completely mismatched 'remedy' (in the same way that giving him a box of chocolates and saying 'sorry' doesn't actually neutralise or balance out the damage done, or in the same way that it'd be absurd if your insurance company gave you $1 million worth of non-resellable non-transferable concert tickets (or any other random product) as compensation for your house burning down).

Point being, whilst the monetary compensation does makes us feel better about the whole situation, it's really pretty unrelated to what has been suffered. You can't say "yes but he's been compensated" as if that is a remotely relevant point.
 
Rofl, not at all, and fwiw, not even close. For someone who cries about being misquoted so much you sure do take delight in trying to do it to others.
And yet that is indeed the opinions of others in this thread of what you did indeed state. Opinions which you decided to again completely ignore while dwelling on my own. :crazyeye:

What part of 'i'm not defending this' are you having trouble comprehending? And as I never defended it, I dont have to backtrack from it.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were backtracking by later claiming that those responsible should be held accountable, instead of only being interested in that it was a county matter instead of a federal one (which was never stated) and the size of the settlement. But I guess you don't even deserve that.

I'd even go as far to say this is about NM only, and even more specific to that, to the specific prison involved.
As you continue to try to rationalize and defend the indefensible by claiming he got a "great settlement" which some would willingly go through to receive the same money.:lol:

As a supposed "paralegal" e.g. clerk, you certainly don't seem to understand much about the law or even the history of civilized countries:

Such error and oversight (or if you want to call it criminal behavior) happens in every nation on the planet as long as humans are involved. This has nothing to do nationally, and the fact that you think it says something nationally is just stupid.
On the one hand you claim it must be confined to this one state and even county. . On the other you claim it "happens in every nation on the planet". :crazyeye:

I'm sure you can provide numerous examples where this sort of travesty occurs in "every nation" with similar laws and a Constitution such as our own.

Thousands Of U.S. Citizens Illegally Detained In Crackdown On Undocumented Immigrants

ACLU Indiana Defends U.S. Citizen Illegally Detained in Anticipation of Possible Deportation

Report: ICE detained 800 U.S. citizens in 4 years

U.S. Citizens Illegally Detained by Los Angeles Authorities Due to Secure Communities Program Errors

U.S. citizens wrongly detained, deported by ICE

And "the fact you think it says something nationally"? Where did I ever state that? Is this yet another example of your incessant double standards? How you incessantly "whine" about me supposedly mischaracterizing your own statements while you do so to mine in most every single thread?

This is an incredibly dumb comment.
It is a recurring theme in these threads. The far right seems far more concerned with the size of the settlements in such cases. OTOH they don't seem very interested at all that a government agency literally ruined the life of a man in a way that anybody who has ever taken 9th grade civics should know should never occur.
 
This is ridiculous. Nobody has defended this happening. All we've said is the federal government had nothing to do with it, making the title of this thread totally inaccurate. He also got a great settlement. Would it have been better had it never happened, well of course it would have. Again, nobody has said otherwise.
 
Are you still trying to claim the phrase "American government" is confined to the federal level, instead of even trying to discuss the real issues? :crazyeye:

And again with the "great settlement". Is that all that is important to the far-right? If any US governmental entity pays off their victims after the fact, and even begrudgingly, that it somehow makes the travesty of justice OK?
 
If the government of a New Mexico county isn't "American", what nationality is it?

What nationality are the governmental agencies which continue to illegally detain and even deport US citizens?

What nationality is the federal government which continues to claim it can detain "terrorists" indefinitely? That same federal government that previously even tortured and murdered completely innocent people under that very same guise? Incidents which many right wingers even still continue to try to rationalize and defend?

Should the victims, or the families of all those victims who are now dead, receive "great settlements" as well?
 
It's the government of the sovereign state of New Mexico. Which, btw, wasn't even the government involved here. It was a county that did this.

man, the way you people fail to grasp the fundamentals of our system boggles my mind at times.
 
Last I heard, New Mexico was still part of the US and so are all of its counties. Do you have a source?
 
I give up, I absolutely give up. IF you guys want to keep blaming the federal government for this, go right ahead. Party on in ignorance.
 
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