Why Chinese Mothers are Superior

Chinese parents (typically/sterotypically) seem to have this attitude like "Yo, I don't give a F what goes on at your friend's house or at school or in this culture in general, this is what goes down in our household & these are the standards I hold you to" and this is admirable & going to create a superior child.

All this builds is secret hate and acting skills. You may get what you want right now but you cant shield your kid from information flow. He will figure out the crap your serving him and will wow to one day when he's no longer dependent on you in any way to shank you while you sleep or at the very least pretend you dont exist and never hear from you again. A modicum of respect should exist, but not blind obedience. If you wanted that just get a goddamn robot.

Of course...not that I speak from experience or something. :)
 
Straight A's honors/AP classes, expert extra curricular mastery in classical instruments, and these types of parents' kids end up at a second-rate top school. Why? Because they're filler to the admissions' offices. All that stress and abuse for what? Admission to UC Davis? To make Harvard you have to do something special, not something well.

How does that argument sit with a system (such as the one here) in which uni entrance is solely dependent on grades (with a couple of exceptions)?

and such anecdotal stuff guys

What's wrong with anecdotal evidence?
 
How does that argument sit with a system (such as the one here) in which uni entrance is solely dependent on grades (with a couple of exceptions)?
I suppose the argument doesn't work well with a silly system, but oh well.
 
Is it a silly system by virtue of the fact that it doesn't take into account other factors when deciding on admittance to a course?
Precisely. There are loads of other factors to take in to account. How does that even work for people who entered the work force after high school?
 
Indeed! We should be much more like Bhutan.

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No wonder they have Gross National Happiness, he leads the country in his dressing gown.
 
Precisely. There are loads of other factors to take in to account. How does that even work for people who entered the work force after high school?

They would have different entrance criteria. But as most undergrads go straight from high school, the system is tailored to suit them.

My question is; why do other factors need to be taken into account? How does a more subjective system avoid inadvertently turning into an unfairly discriminatory system? Why shouldn't those with high grades be rewarded for their high grades?
 
My question is; why do other factors need to be taken into account?
Because other factors do need to be taken into account. A student who works a job and does volunteer service on the side getting a B average is not the same as a student who plays video games all day and gets a B average. Or a student who's grades do not repressent his aptitude because of a family situation. Or any of countless numbers of possibilities.
How does a more subjective system avoid inadvertently turning into an unfairly discriminatory system?
The same way any subjective system can. But if I had to pick, the fact that admissions departments are composed of people who's only job is to find qualified students, have little reason to turn it into an unfairly discriminitory system.
Why shouldn't those with high grades be rewarded for their high grades?
They are. They just aren't the only criteria. Letters of Recomendation, Extraciricular activities, awards and experience, writing samples etc. all need to be weighed as well.
 
Because other factors do need to be taken into account. A student who works a job and does volunteer service on the side getting a B average is not the same as a student who plays video games all day and gets a B average. Or a student who's grades do not repressent his aptitude because of a family situation. Or any of countless numbers of possibilities.
Why should a uni look at anything other than that B average? Why does what students do with the rest of their time concern them? There are academic educational providers, after all, not life coaching centres.
The same way any subjective system can. But if I had to pick, the fact that admissions departments are composed of people who's only job is to find qualified students, have little reason to turn it into an unfairly discriminitory system.
A lot of universities would look for 'a well-rounded individual'. Who decides what constitutes 'well-rounded'? Why should that matter at all when the student is at the university solely to do a degree?

Why should someone be shut out of doing a degree because someone with lower marks than them is good at playing sport, or has a job?

Also, selection of candidates on a subjective basis would tend towards sustaining the status quo. Oxbridge is a great example. Why is there traditionally such a high proportion of Etonians? It's not that Eton provides the most well-rounded candidate...

Removing this subjectivity removes any chance of discriminatory selection.
They are. They just aren't the only criteria. Letters of Recomendation, Extraciricular activities, awards and experience, writing samples etc. all need to be weighed as well.
Why should anything other than the student's academic achievement be relevant to their entrance into an academic course?

Note that entrance to a college might be a different kettle of fish.
 
What the author describes is a caricature of a chinese mother, she seems less to promote her view than to tell everyone how hardcore she is and her kids, it is a strange kind of boast. I do know parents who treat their children in a like manner, one of my cousin in fact, her son rebelled when puberty hits, became uncontrollable. Its a common occurence when the reins are held in too short, it is hard to be so restrained by your parents when you see that everyone else is free, the respect held in youth can change into hate.
 
Why should that matter at all when the student is at the university solely to do a degree?
Well that cuts right to the heart of it. If your at university solely to do a degree, I don't think you're the kind of student any university wants.

Note that entrance to a college might be a different kettle of fish.
Er..maybe part of our disagreement is because those words are identical in American education.
 
Ah- here, the vast majority of students live at home or at least off campus (e.g. rent a house with friends) and commute to uni. Social lives are a big part of uni, but not a part of it that the uni itself is concerned with. They are just there to provide the education and, I guess, a social setting. They don't have to worry so much about all the actions of people who actually live in the university community.

I still disagree with the point as it pertains to colleges (e.g. Oxbridge (and I assume the Ivy League as a comparison), where selection, although reliant on grades, is still too discriminatorily subjective), but that difference in the type of system is probably the main source of disagreement. :D
 
First, on Camikaze's point about anecdotes - it's not that anecdotes have to be bad, but they're not often the best evidence to get to the heart of the matter.

Part of the whole issue with this whole business from the first article in the WSJ is that it is reinforcing stereotypes There is a valid time for discussing anecdotes but nowhere did that really prove valid regarding this story. "Positive" anecdotes can be bad enough like "oh yeah I know some Asians who are like that" but when you get to negative things like "I know a bunch of [other minority] who are really lazy" then we're just unfairly reinforcing stereotypes all around. Does nothing to really come to conclusions on parenting or what we as a society should do for raising children - like the points about how only middle-to-upper class parents really have all that time to devote to extra activities and tutoring classes and so on for their children when poor parents can't, and lots of other things as mentioned.

About universities - what really must be understood is the American system is way different. Not necessarily good, but different. We have no national exams/standards that students can really be expected to conform to and be compared on - yes, there's a few general tests in the SAT/ACT and many students often do take AP/IB courses, but still you can't even really say that students' grades and numbers on paper from different places around the country compare.

Why should a uni look at anything other than that B average? Why does what students do with the rest of their time concern them? There are academic educational providers, after all, not life coaching centres.

So again, we firstly have the problem that in the US there simply is almost no real basis to compare students directly, by academic scores. GPA's vary widely with different scales all around the country, and even looking at class rank, which can be annoying/bad in itself, still won't really show whether Bob from Idaho or Alice from Maine is a better student. Universities could rely really heavily just on the single tests almost all college applicants will take, SAT or ACT, but as a cultural thing people would hate that even more.

And then, private universities, which a lot of the top/coveted ones like Ivy League schools are, wouldn't even be held to any sort of such standards regarding which students they take even if there were, like, a nation-wide college entrance exam done by the government (as say another country might, I don't know the specifics on Australia, whatever nation might be more like this). It's never going to happen in the forseeable future that we could do that in America with public schools anyway. (though some states, like California, Florida, etc... have set up pretty comprehensive in-state systems at this point, like you do this well/score this well in high school and you'll get into x state school)
 
Well that cuts right to the heart of it. If your at university solely to do a degree, I don't think you're the kind of student any university wants.


Er..maybe part of our disagreement is because those words are identical in American education.

Wait, the point of going to higher education isn't to get educated? :confused:
I'm confused, really confused, please explain
 
All this builds is secret hate and acting skills. You may get what you want right now but you cant shield your kid from information flow. He will figure out the crap your serving him and will wow to one day when he's no longer dependent on you in any way to shank you while you sleep or at the very least pretend you dont exist and never hear from you again. A modicum of respect should exist, but not blind obedience. If you wanted that just get a goddamn robot.
I think more than a modicum should exist & I'd be willing to bet most kids are grateful their folks taught them discipline. Now rules for the sake of rules, that's stupid but there is a lot out there in our modern society kids need to be protected from. In a society that sells comfort & the easy road at every turn I think parents need to counterbalance this a bit.
 
Wait, the point of going to higher education isn't to get educated? :confused:
I'm confused, really confused, please explain
Getting a degree is not synonymous with education. You are at a university to learn, to learn how to learn, and, perhaps most importantly, to learn how to think critically and express yourself well.
 
Getting a degree is not synonymous with education. You are at a university to learn, to learn how to learn, and, perhaps most importantly, to learn how to think critically and express yourself well.

I plan on joining the USAF, learning to think critically and expressing myself are unnecessary distractions. OTOH taking down a SCADA in a half hour is good
 
Wait, the point of going to higher education isn't to get educated? :confused:
I'm confused, really confused, please explain
"Doing your degree" is the exact minimum required to complete college. They obviously want people who are not there to do the minimum. As I mentioned before, if you just show up to lectures, and do your assignments and nothing else, you're not getting the education you're paying for.
 
"Doing your degree" is the exact minimum required to complete college. They obviously want people who are not there to do the minimum. As I mentioned before, if you just show up to lectures, and do your assignments and nothing else, you're not getting the education you're paying for.

I plan on getting my Bachelor's in 2.5 years, um...
 
I plan on joining the USAF, learning to think critically and expressing myself are unnecessary distractions. OTOH taking down a SCADA in a half hour is good
I can tell you, the Army War College, West Point and Virginia Military Institute certainly don't think so. Members of the Armed Forces need to obey orders yes, but clear thinking and writing are vital skills to any military. In fact, if you take a military history course at a military university, you're probably going to get a far more critical thinking and expressing focus then you would at a normal university.
 
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