Why is Iraq not flying its new flag?

[Xen]

Yes, they are left out.

The Kurds are an ethnic group. They are Muslims, they can be represented just as well by the crescent.

me thinks you too readilly dump the plight suffered by many ethnic minorites in your own crusade for what you consider "politically neutral" and forget that different situation call for different remidies.

Irag is devided into two ethnic groups; the Arabs, a semitic group, and the Kurd, and Iranian (Aryan) based people, and both have ties to the area well into the ancient Akkadian period. As such, both peoples have a right to be represented, but as the Arabs for such a huge majoirty in iraq, they themselves need no symbol of inclusion at all, rather it is the main ethnic minority, the Kurds, the same people who have been targeted for years, who need soem recognizable symbol of inclusion in the state, and can be used a s symbol for any other ethnic minorities in Iraq.

"In the Box" thinking such as yours that dictates that every situation should be ahndled the same in that obviouslly, the standard of full equality dicated either one unified symbol of nation hood, or no symbol at all only ensures faileur- the cours eof action taken by the flag is likelly the best one to fit the situation, given the factors involved. Though of course, it isnt our flag, and likewise, we dont really have any grounds over which to critique what it has on it or not, as, obviouslly, we will know soon enough if the people of Iraq like it, and thats the real final authority on the matter.

 

[Zany]

I'm not sure what's going on in this thread, nor do I care to find out, but the new flag looks good. Just what I think. The old one is boring, the red-green-black tricolor is overused to death, while the red-white-blue (on an irrelevant tangent) is overused to death, overused back to life, and overused to death again.

 

[Perfection]

the red-green-black tricolor is overused to death

Maybe because the symbolism behind it is popular...

 

[North King]

me thinks you too readilly dump the plight suffered by many ethnic minorites in your own crusade for what you consider "politically neutral" and forget that different situation call for different remidies.

Irag is devided into two ethnic groups; the Arabs, a semitic group, and the Kurd, and Iranian (Aryan) based people, and both have ties to the area well into the ancient Akkadian period. As such, both peoples have a right to be represented, but as the Arabs for such a huge majoirty in iraq, they themselves need no symbol of inclusion at all, rather it is the main ethnic minority, the Kurds, the same people who have been targeted for years, who need soem recognizable symbol of inclusion in the state, and can be used a s symbol for any other ethnic minorities in Iraq.

"In the Box" thinking such as yours that dictates that every situation should be ahndled the same in that obviouslly, the standard of full equality dicated either one unified symbol of nation hood, or no symbol at all only ensures faileur- the cours eof action taken by the flag is likelly the best one to fit the situation, given the factors involved. Though of course, it isnt our flag, and likewise, we dont really have any grounds over which to critique what it has on it or not, as, obviouslly, we will know soon enough if the people of Iraq like it, and thats the real final authority on the matter.

That's BS. It's a flag, it should represent the nation as a whole, not just parts which feel the need to be included. Something with three crescents would work. Or with something else, that included the whole nation. Not just a flag with a symbol for each minority.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Why is Iraq not flying its new flag?

Because the new flag is crap.

Easy answer

 

[Babbler]

Please let's not get bogged down in the aesthetics. There's the Babe Thread for that!

Granted, it not everything, but aesthetics is important here. A flag is a symbol, representing the organization/government/territory/person. You want to look nice.

 

[I am the Future]

Because this wasn't politicaly correct enough.

 

[Jawz II]

i think the iraqis didnt like the new flag, since it looks too much like israels flag, not sure

 

[Rambuchan]

I have to say, I'm finding the alleged similarities between the new flag and the Israeli flag a bit contrived. They really don't look much like each other at all.

 

[Bugfatty300]

The artical Rambuchan gave is nearly 2 years old. They've scrapped that flag since then and are using the old one as default until the agree on a new design.

The one used now is too intertwined with the baathist regime to be kept.

 

[Rambuchan]

The artical Rambuchan gave is nearly 2 years old. They've scrapped that flag since then and are using the old one as default until the agree on a new design.

The one used now is too intertwined with the baathist regime to be kept.

I acknowledged that.

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And here is further explanation of its meaning. Note the date of the article.

 

[nonconformist]

I once read about how much it looked like going into a pristine white toilet. It even has the tream of urine.

 

[Bugfatty300]

I acknowledged that.

I know, I was just emphesizing the fact that since the article was written the Iraqis decided to scrap that design.

I simply answered your question

They had some sort of competition last year but I can't find who won it or anything else about it.

http://flagspot.net/flags/iq!2005.html

 

[Shaihulud]

They've scrapped that flag since then and are using the old one as default until the agree on a new design.

I salute the Iraqi's sense of taste. Anyone country that sports that new design as their national flag is doomed to international ridicule.

 

[Ansar]

The new one looks much neater and less religion-related.

 

[North King]

The new one looks much neater and less religion-related.

You must be ignoring that giant crescent moon.

 

[Ansar]

You must be ignoring that giant crescent moon.

Didnt see that ...

 

[Che Guava]

I thought I had heard that the two blue stripes represented both the rivers AND the Sunnis and Shia...

 

[Xen]

That's BS. It's a flag, it should represent the nation as a whole, not just parts which feel the need to be included. Something with three crescents would work. Or with something else, that included the whole nation. Not just a flag with a symbol for each minority.

Seem western idealism had been dumped for national necessity. somthing that while I dont particurlay enjoy, can see the need, and the justifacation for. Of course, since obviouslly knwo so much better then I, or the Iraqi political specialists, or even the iraqi people themselves, I'm sure they would be willing to defer to your personal new design for an Iraqi flag, as it would just so much work for every one.

Of course, that was irony. I fully belive you dont grasp how much of an actual tool, and icon a flag truelly is- it IS the symbol of a nation, and the Iraqi nation IS devided into three parts, weather you like it, or feel all those parts need to be represented or not. The other tribe sof Iraq for the mos tpart either do not identify themselves by ethnicty, such as the Shiites and Sunnis, who are better represented by a unified symbol, in hopes that inter sect violence will decline on the public recognition that they are of the same faith, just different sects of it. by contrast we see the kurds do not identify themselves by thier faith, but rather by thier distinct ethnicty prompting that a symbol for a group that could so easilly split off the rest of Iraq thatthey are a part of the nation as well.

Political idealism has to be dumped for political reality, why a fairlly well educated person such as your self can see the very bold and distinct lien between the two in this case is beyond me.

 

[Kyriakos]

I dont really like this flag, but i didnt like the old one either. However i think that its not a great idea to have the kurdish minority symbolised in the flag; a far better idea would have been to have the middle colour as blood red, to symbolise the rivers of blood which will flow soon there.