Why we hate Hillary

[Troymk1]

She is a woman. An unattractive one. That's all we need.

No Maggie Thatcher for you lot then!!

You do realise that the highest position in a country should be able to form a sentence right?

I'm not a US Citizen so *meh*, but this poll goes a long way to show me why you lot voted in Mr Crayon.

 

[bhsup]

I knew from the moment after her hubby became President and was given the responsibility of trying to revamp our health care, that she would be terrible for this nation. "Hillary-care" is my reason, along with statements she's made since then that confirm in my mind that she is really the opposite of me on most any issue.

Mind you, though, I certainly do not hate her at all. Kind of like "hate the sin, love the sinner", I guess we should say "hate the position, love the...er, positioner?"

Anyhoo, it has nothing to do with her husband really. She cannot be held responsible for his zipper problems. If anything, she should be applauded for struggling to hold her marriage together when he gave her every justifiable reason to divorce his cheating backside.

 

[bathsheba666]

Your options are deficient.

I absolutely love Hilary Clinton, because she seems to annoy the right wingers.
Their incoherent rage is a joy to observe.

I think this is tremendously valuable in a democratic society, not to mention amusing.

Carry on frothing, guys. I'll pull up a deckchair.

 

[.Shane.]

Anyhoo, it has nothing to do with her husband really. She cannot be held responsible for his zipper problems. If anything, she should be applauded for struggling to hold her marriage together when he gave her every justifiable reason to divorce his cheating backside.

Now, see, this is why when I argue w/ you I don't feel like I'm wasting my time. You're one of the very few conservatives I've met who isn't hypocritical on this issue of Hillary and her marriage. Kudos.

Still, I think Brownback is a menace, but whatchagonnado.

 

[.Shane.]

Carry on frothing, guys. I'll pull up a deckchair.

If you want to exponentially multiply the frothing, get a picture of her using an iPhone.

 

[skadistic]

Your options are deficient.

I absolutely love Hilary Clinton, because she seems to annoy the right wingers.
Their incoherent rage is a joy to observe.

I think this is tremendously valuable in a democratic society, not to mention amusing.

Carry on frothing, guys. I'll pull up a deckchair.

She annoys the left wingers too. And the true centrists. And people like me who don't fit in any particular part of the spectrum.

 

[germanicus12]

Well ending the war in Iraq right now is the hot topic. The people will vote for someone who promises they will end the war.

I personally do not want Hillary becoming President, for one thing I just hate Bill, and another the idea of a female running the nation at this point in history is plain terrifying.

To elaborate my point above:
The US is currently in a war against terroism, what will happen once the troops leave? The world will fall to near chaos again as Al Qeada becomes bolder now that the US soldiers have left him alone and will attack the US again along with the UK. I personally believe that Hillary is unable to handle this and should wait until the nation has actually calmed down and is not fighting anymore wars.

 

[El_Machinae]

Er, USA 'left Al Qeada alone' when they split their forces into Iraq ...

 

[germanicus12]

Yes, but what happens when we leave Iraq? They will regroup and attack again.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Well, the War in Iraq won't end if we leave tomorrow - the US might not be affected by it, but the war itself is far greater than the US involvement in it, now.

 

[Elta]

The thing with GTA pissed me off - as does all her talk of Iraq when she gave the president authority to go in.

Helping children is at the center of her public life? C'mon. George Bush did more for poor children in education reform than Hillary ever will.

You arn't talking about baby bush are you?
No child left behind is the worse thing to happen to public schools in my life time.

I hate how fake she is. I hate that her accent changes depending on crowd. I how how her political stance will change depending on the crowd.

Yeah I thought I was the only one who noticed that, it pisses me off too.

 

[downtown]

Secondly, the idea of having a female commander-in-chief worries me. I've noticed a curious thing with women politicians - either they're really, really good, or they're completely batsh** insane. Looking at her record, she seems to tend towards the latter.

Why should we subject women to a higher standard then? Surely, in our country, we've had terrible white male politicians...should we avoid electing somebody because they happened to be white and male?

 

[Masquerouge]

None of the poll options applied to me.
I don't hate her, but won't vote for her since I can't

Her stance on video games was pretty stupid however.
And I believe that the Democrats will have a real issue if she wins the primary, since indeed so many people hate her at gut level.

 

[Shadylookin]

I think it's funny that the same people that hate Hillary for listening to public opinion are often the same people who hate George Bush for not listening to it.

personally I think she's the best candidate the dems have to offer, and the republicans aren't fielding anything worthwhile so at this moment i'll probably end up voting for her come next november.

here are some problems i see however


1. though i disagree with her mandatory private insurance plan. I would personally prefer a universal healthcare system like Canada or the UK, and I think forcing private insurance is just putting money into a bad system.

2. instead of removing Bush's tax cuts I would prefer to see more brackets made at the end so that the poor and the middle class still pay a lower percentage. or find a way to balance the budget under the current taxation system

3. last I heard she wasn't going to start troop withdraw when she gets elected.

 

[amadeus]

I think the authoritarian socialist angle of her isn't exposed enough.

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices... Government has to make those choices for people.

We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

"It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an 'on your own' society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society."

"I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed."

"I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in our entire economy that they're being watched."

"And that means something has to be taken away from some people."

 

[LLXerxes]

You made it a public poll? Rats, now I can't vote "she's a lesbian" without other people knowing.

 

[.Shane.]

I think the authoritarian socialist angle of her isn't exposed enough.

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices... Government has to make those choices for people.

We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

"It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an 'on your own' society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society."

"I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed."

"I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in our entire economy that they're being watched."

"And that means something has to be taken away from some people."

Links?

Context?

I could take any of those quotes and put them in context where even Ronald Reagan would approve. So, without context, you're just doing a hatchet job.

 

[Stewbert 08]

I cannot think of any politician in recent memory that inspires as much hate, for as few real reasons, as Hillary Clinton.

Many posters, from the left, right and center, appear to despise her. They write about how she'll ruin the country, how she's a lesbian, a communist, or worse.

I suspect that many of us don't really know WHY we hate her...but thanks to constant media bombarding, we do. So please, vote in poll, for as many reasons as you can think of for hating Hillary Clinton, then tell us why.

Poll Coming,

It's really very simple. Politics is a brand game.

Imagine you are in the business of making Downtown Cookies. At first, nobody wants to buy your cookies; they're used to eating Oreos. However you're persistent. You aggressively market your cookies and their great taste. You revise your cookie recipe. You educate the public about why your cookies are better than Oreos - they cost less, they are more nutritious, they are tastier. Eventually your business is a success and your cookies are a commonplace in the public consciousness.

Then, a disgruntled employee pours dogcrap into 400 batches of your cookie dough.

Your cookies still get baked, packaged, and sold. People are buying something that says "Downtown Cookies" on the front. But when they open the package, they get the heady aroma of dogcrap.

There goes your company.





That's what Hillary Clinton is. We have worked hard to educate the public about what a progressive liberal government would mean: getting out of Iraq. Universal healthcare insurance. Real fiscal restraint (not just talking about it). Stopping the slide in real median wages for the middle class & poor. A return to sound science- and policy-based government.

If Hillary is our next President, the public gets at least 4 years of something that says "Democrat" on the label but is, when you open it up, dogcrap. Not 4 years of fixing our healthcare, 4 years of bellyaching about videogames and supporting flag amendments.

Progressive policies will win in America - every plank I mentioned above has majoritarian support - but they WON'T win if progressives allow themselves to be associated with someone who ISN'T A PROGRESSIVE.

At the end of a Hillary presidency, liberals like you and me will be running away from her as fast as Republicans are running away from Bush now, and it will work about as well.




So, basically, the reason to hate Hillary is she is not a real progressive.

As for Republicans, they hate her because they have Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Seriously, there's nothing much to analyze, it's just irrational loathing. So far the reasons I see are:

1. She's a woman (cited more than any other reason, interestingly)
2. Her accent is fake (and Bush's aint?)
3. ZOMG HILLARYCARE
4. She panders

Actually I'd like to fix #4. You guys are just fine with people who pander insincerely. I mean, you defended Tom DeLay, eh?

What you're not ok with is people who change who they pander to. I guess it makes the facade all too transparent. You'd like to believe that when YOU'RE being pandered to, it ain't pandering

I think the authoritarian socialist angle of her isn't exposed enough.

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices... Government has to make those choices for people.

We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

"It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an 'on your own' society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society."

"I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed."

"I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in our entire economy that they're being watched."

"And that means something has to be taken away from some people."

See what I mean about derangement?

There's plenty to hate about Hillary, but Mr. Froth-At-The-Mouth here thinks he has to make up crap?

 

[Elta]

^
Yes bush does use a fake accent too.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Q: Could you see yourself, with millions of voters in a pro-life camp, creating a common ground, with the goal ultimately in mind of reducing the decisions for abortion to zero?

A: Yes. Yes.

And that is what I have tried to both talk about and reach out about over the last many years, going back, really, at least 15 years, in talking about abortion being safe, legal, and rare. And, by rare, I mean rare.

And it's been a challenge, because the pro-life and the pro-choice communities have not really been willing to find much common ground. And I think that is a great failing on all of our parts, because, for me there are many opportunities to assist young people to make responsible decisions.

There is a tremendous educational and public outreach that could be done through churches, through schools, through so much else. But I think it has to be done with an understanding of reaching people where they are today.

We have so many young people who are tremendously influenced by the media culture and by the celebrity culture, and who have a very difficult time trying to sort out the right decisions to make.

And I personally believe that the adult society has failed those people. I mean, I think that we have failed them in our churches, our schools, our government. And I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed. We have all failed.

We have left too many children to sort of fend for themselves morally.

ZOMG HILLARY IS TEH MARXIST!

Uh, no, actually she's saying that a corporatism-and-celebrity-soaked culture has provided little moral guidance to the younger generation.

Something Christofascists like the people who forward these emails might actually agree with! Were it not for the fact that Hillary said it, therefore it is TEH WHORE OF BABLON SPEKING.

Jesus dude, posting made-up political emails is soooo 1993. Grow up eh?