Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Of course. The alternative is unthinkable.
Would the GOP types push the USA into default ?
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Of course. The alternative is unthinkable.
Just so we understand the Democrats.
This is how compromise works in their view:
Absolutely staggering spending increases: Democrat victory and good for the economy
Large spending increases: Bipartisanship compromise
Small spending increases: Republican victory
Spending level freeze, delay $250 billion in new Obamacare subsidy spending 1 year: Terrorism
Spending cuts, repeal Obamacare entirely: The end of the United States of America and probably the world economy. Traitorous
After all, conservatives are just <snip> who want to prevent poor people from accessing the unlimited amount of free government money that exists amirite?
This is how compromise works in their view:
Absolutely staggering spending increases: Democrat victory and good for the economy
Large spending increases: Bipartisanship compromise
Small spending increases: Republican victory
Spending level freeze, delay $250 billion in new Obamacare subsidy spending 1 year: Terrorism
Spending cuts, repeal Obamacare entirely: The end of the United States of America and probably the world economy. Traitorous
After all, conservatives are just <snip> who want to prevent poor people from accessing the unlimited amount of free government money that exists amirite?
No, you're lying through your teeth. More to the point, you know you're lying through your teeth, and feel justified in doing so.
What it all comes down to is that you believe that you personally benefit from hurting innocent other people. What you don't understand reality enough to comprehend is that the policies you want are deliberately and specifically designed to make you personally, and your children and grandchildren, permanently poorer than you would be otherwise. Not to mention make the country itself a poorer and weaker place.
The people who designed the programs that they then told you that you were required to endorse them and prohibited from questioning or understanding them, those people know in absolute terms that they are screwing the country, and screwing you, and screwing your children, and your grandchildren. And they are OK with that. Why? Because while the policies they require you to believe in will result in the country being poorer in the long run, it also means that they will control a much larger part of that smaller pie.
And so as long as you unthinkingly destroy your children's future for the benefit of your lords and masters, as long as you keep parroting what your lords and masters have told you that you are required to parrot, they can rest easy in knowing that their children will inherit everything that you worked for and, foolishly, thought that you might someday leave to your own children.
So congratulations!
You are the worst enemy your grandchildren will ever have. No one will ever do more to ruin your grandchildren's future than what you are doing here today.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Stage 4: the victim card.
No, you're lying through your teeth. More to the point, you know you're lying through your teeth, and feel justified in doing so.
What it all comes down to is that you believe that you personally benefit from hurting innocent other people. What you don't understand reality enough to comprehend is that the policies you want are deliberately and specifically designed to make you personally, and your children and grandchildren, permanently poorer than you would be otherwise. Not to mention make the country itself a poorer and weaker place.
The people who designed the programs that they then told you that you were required to endorse them and prohibited from questioning or understanding them, those people know in absolute terms that they are screwing the country, and screwing you, and screwing your children, and your grandchildren. And they are OK with that. Why? Because while the policies they require you to believe in will result in the country being poorer in the long run, it also means that they will control a much larger part of that smaller pie.
And so as long as you unthinkingly destroy your children's future for the benefit of your lords and masters, as long as you keep parroting what your lords and masters have told you that you are required to parrot, they can rest easy in knowing that their children will inherit everything that you worked for and, foolishly, thought that you might someday leave to your own children.
So congratulations!
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/08/02/198432/most-2013-job-growth-is-in-part.html
What could it possibly be? Freaking mystery there.
Worst enemy of my grandchildren isn't me, it's an older generation who thinks if government interferes on a large enough scale, recessions can be eliminated.
All you get is houses no one can afford, college educations that take decades to pay off, part time jobs, and a Japanese style lost decade or two or three.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
By the way, stage 1, 2 & 3: the victim card.
Bad analysis on my part. Will try harder in the future.
Bad analysis on my part. Will try harder in the future.
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Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
You propose a Health Care Bill.
Morons label it Death Panels.
Morons believe the Morons calling it Death Panels.
Moronic pressure leads to the Health Care Bill being transformed the way the Morons suggested it.
Morons are still opposed to it, not because it became Moronic since it's their own idea, but because the Morons would oppose anything, but despite the Morons it passes.
The Morons, being the gracious losers they are, shut down the government to not have to accept defeat.
Morons hold a photo-op which convinces the Morons who vote for them they really, honestly, truly want compromise.
Morons who vote for them moan and complain about the uncompromising nature of their counterparts.
A neutron star goes: Wow, that really is dense.
The victim card is played.
I forgot to count which stage I was at, but I did try harder
Or you could look at Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and the others* - many of them offer completely free university education, free healthcare, sufficient retirement benefits for all citizens...
And they aren't bankrupt. In fact, Iceland is a particularly interesting case study on the wisdon of putting citizens before corporations. But in the USA#1, corporations run the show from top to bottom.
These nations show that much larger intervention by government into all markets can result in a far higher standard of living, more happiness, more equality, better health, better education, more opportunity for people at every socioeconomic level.
Quite far from your hypothetical dystopic view of "houses nobody can afford, lost decades, part-time jobs".
How do you explain the existing counterfactuals?
*no offense to those countries I didn't mention, okay?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
I feel a little left out since you didn't colour my snip sienna. So I had to do it myself.
I didn't rely on the governing power to colour my snip sienna. I went ahead and did it myself. I do feel a bit of a grudge towards those deadbeat posters who just waited for the governing powers to sienna their snips.
Am I a republican now?
I didn't rely on the governing power to colour my snip sienna. I went ahead and did it myself. I do feel a bit of a grudge towards those deadbeat posters who just waited for the governing powers to sienna their snips.
Am I a republican now?
I don't even know how to argue against that bolded statement.
http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/why-norway-is-a-bs-argument-for-higher-taxes-8235/
The USA is the world's superpower and the Soviet Union collapsed because ______________?
Must be because we had so much more government intervention in the economy than they did.
Sorry about the snip thingy. Was just trying to keep up with the overall tone of the thread lately. Terrorist lemmings with suicide vests and all.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
I think we can all agree on that.
As we observe
peter grimes but cunningly snipped to crowbar the soviet union into the discussion said:
Yeah, there's no doubt that government can interfere too much. But, don't ignore the counterfactuals that work. Importantly, they just highlight possible places the economic theory (one subscribes to) is incomplete.
I mean, there's a balance between allowing leaded gasoline on the one hand, and absolutely preventing any nuclear power plants from being built. There's also an affordable level of taxation, an affordable level of entitlements (or the welfare state), and then there's wild deficit spending on entitlements.
I think people worried about American entitlement overruns are actually quite understandable. I mean, there's a "low boil" of like 5% of the budget going to welfare (which people resent, but isn't actually any type of fiscal problem) and then there's an ongoing concern that interest payments on the debt are progressively increasing.
The solution probably isn't partisan hostility.
I mean, there's a balance between allowing leaded gasoline on the one hand, and absolutely preventing any nuclear power plants from being built. There's also an affordable level of taxation, an affordable level of entitlements (or the welfare state), and then there's wild deficit spending on entitlements.
I think people worried about American entitlement overruns are actually quite understandable. I mean, there's a "low boil" of like 5% of the budget going to welfare (which people resent, but isn't actually any type of fiscal problem) and then there's an ongoing concern that interest payments on the debt are progressively increasing.
The solution probably isn't partisan hostility.
Rashiminos
Fool Prophet
That's like a tortoise winning a race against a sloth (at least outside of military expansionism).
I agree with PG that Iceland is a particularly interesting case.
I don't even know how to argue against that bolded statement.
The USA is the world's superpower and the Soviet Union collapsed because ______________?
Must be because we had so much more government intervention in the economy than they did.
Sorry about the snip thingy. Was just trying to keep up with the overall tone of the thread lately. Terrorist lemmings with suicide vests and all.
Had Reagan been president 30 years earlier, all Americans would be required to learn to speak Russian now.
Liberal economics defeated communism.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Never mind.
Either it's opposite day or you guys are trying to make my head explode.
What economic policy dominated the West during the Cold War? Reaganomics did not start until after the Soviet economy had permanently ceased to grow.
