Would the GOP types push the USA into default ?

[El_Machinae]

Didn't make the promise, now did I?

Honestly, this resonates with me. Sometimes, I think that expecting Social Security and Medicare to be provided, just because you were forced to pay in, is a bit like expecting the right to haze the freshman just because you were hazed.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind paying healthcare taxes. I think it's good bang-for-the-buck, but I certainly recognise that I'm being forced to pay.

What's the moral answer? I guess it's to not actually force someone else to pay for me. Now, I don't have the moral character to forgo nationally funded healthcare when I need it ... I can barely resist icecream in the freezer ... but I can be proactive in reducing the net burden that *I* will place.

 

[bugwar]

What the hell do you think the consideration was for payroll deductions?

Gee, currently you pay $2.00 in and get $3.00 back in benefits.
You can just learn to handle a bit lower profit margin in order to help balance the budget.

 

[Cutlass]

Gee, currently you pay $2.00 in and get $3.00 back in benefits.
You can just learn to handle a bit lower profit margin in order to help balance the budget.

So the most poor have to feel real pain and suffering so that the most greedy and selfish can get a free ride through life.

 

[JollyRoger]

Gee, currently you pay $2.00 in and get $3.00 back in benefits.

Sort of like stockholders and bondholders, but with labor.

 

[Cutlass]

m Kludt – October 11, 2013, 11:14 AM EDT78597

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) channeled his inner-maverick Friday during an appearance on Fox News Channel, repeatedly reminding the conservative network that the government shutdown was brought about by the quixotic effort to halt the Affordable Care Act.

When anchor Martha MacCallum asked him about the White House's handling of the suspension of death benefits to military families, McCain said that while the administration deserves blame it was a GOP-induced shutdown that caused the problem in the first place.

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare. I fought against Obamacare harder than any of the people who wanted to shut down the government."

McCain's appearance on Fox came shortly after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), the leader of the movement to defund the health care law, spoke at the Values Voter Summit. MacCallum asked McCain how he felt about Cruz "representing" Republicans at a meeting scheduled for Friday at the White House.

"First of all, Martha, please, he's not representing us there," McCain said, adding that he thinks it's "unconscionable" that President Obama hasn't negotiated with Republicans.

The interview closed with McCain rattling off a number of proposals that are "achievable" for Republicans.

"Defunding Obamacare is not one of them," he said emphatically.

"Well, we'll see," MacCallum said, prompting sarcastic laughter from the senator.

"I guarantee it," McCain said. "Not only will you see, I guarantee it."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video

 

[FriendlyFire]

Gee, currently you pay $2.00 in and get $3.00 back in benefits.
You can just learn to handle a bit lower profit margin in order to help balance the budget.

Death Panels !

 

[Kaitzilla]

Dang, if McCain was that hard-hitting about Democrats instead of Republicans, he never would have had the chance to lose the presidential election.

 

[Cutlass]

Dang, if McCain was that hard-hitting about Democrats instead of Republicans, he never would have had the chance to lose the presidential election.

McCain has some ethics left. That inherently leaves him on the outs with many Republicans.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Dang, if McCain was that hard-hitting about Democrats instead of Republicans, he never would have had the chance to lose the presidential election.

Did you not just say that Republicans were honourable, principled and courageous for saying that they the Republicans were the "party of stupid", "lemmings in suicide vest" and "on a fool’s errand"?

 

[bhsup]

McCain has some ethics left. That inherently leaves him on the outs with many Republicans.

Ironic given I refused to vote for him due to his lack of...

 

[DinoDoc]

Dang, if McCain was that hard-hitting about Democrats instead of Republicans, he never would have had the chance to lose the presidential election.

The only thing McCain and the rest of the establishment actually have a right to complain about here is that the defund strategy was a cul de sac that was always going to lead nowhere. For that though the establishment only has itself to blame as it was their own feckless leadership that left the base thirsting for something to excite them and allow them to harness their energy.

If they want to deal with the Tea Party, a more productive approach would be to actually talk with them rather than at or about them. Actually harnessing the energy of the base rather than fighting or attempting to silence it would have more effective results and is less likely to result in instances such as this in the future.

 

[JollyRoger]

The Tea Party is too young and immature to be reasoned with. The GOP establishment should have woodshedded them into submission by now.

 

[Cutlass]

Ironic given I refused to vote for him due to his lack of...

And yet he's still that much better than the rest of them.

 

[JollyRoger]

VR had to go with the one guy in the GOP field without multiple wives . . . the Mormon of all people.

 

[Kaitzilla]

And yet he's still that much better than the rest of them.

From one political group's viewpoint sure.

And then they voted for Obama.



McCain had a chance once he picked Sarah Palin, but then the economy crashed and that was that.

 

[Murky]

You really think just the sinking economy sunk McCain?

 

[Cutlass]

From one political group's viewpoint sure.

And then they voted for Obama.



McCain had a chance once he picked Sarah Palin, but then the economy crashed and that was that.

Palin was the final nail in the coffin for the McCain campaign. That was the point at which the moderates decided that they would not vote for McCain.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Palin was the final nail in the coffin for the McCain campaign. That was the point at which the moderates decided that they would not vote for McCain.

So strange that his advisors thought he needed to gamble big on his VP pick.
I wonder why they felt the need to do it?

Watch the movie Game Change.
Not only would you enjoy seeing Sarah Palin get skewered, you'd see McCain needed to excite his base or he was toast already.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

McCain had a chance once he picked Sarah Palin

If you are right, that doesn't reflect very favourable on the republican's voter base.

 

[peter grimes]

Dang, if McCain was that hard-hitting about Democrats instead of Republicans, he never would have had the chance to lose the presidential election.

I used to find McCain to be the archetypal Republican that I was glad to see re-elected. But his presidential campaign eliminated that impression.

His campaign was so perverted that I would have voted for nearly anyone simply to cast a vote *against* McCain.

He lost control of his political persona , and that makes me question the judgement of any senior candidate in this age of technological acceleration.

Any candidate running is going to have to earn my vote by demonstrating a firm grasp of how tech is transforming our lives on both large and small scales.