Would you actually want life to continue?

Living forever sucks.
I can not help but find this wide-spread view to be idiotic and possibly only a result of practical optimism (i.e. believing something because it suits one to do so).
What on earth sucks about it?
(1) No fear. Whatsoever. There simply is no reason anymore? Screwed up? Who cares, you got eternity to make up for it.
(2) No limitations. In eternity, everything seems possible!
(3) The boredom-argument is stupid. Who says the number of things to be experienced is finite? Last I head the universe isn't. Besides, even if they were. For our lacky memory, when you had finally finished experiencing everything, you could start again and everything would be new again.
Additionally: Even if you don't forget, there are things that will always keep our emotions happy. Like kissing. Just give it a break and things will be good again.

Result: Living forever rocks. Us not living forever sucks terribly.
 
Borges said:
The universe (which others call the Library) is composed of an indefinite and perhaps infinite number of hexagonal galleries, with vast air shafts between, surrounded by very low railings.

Read the library of Babel, it is a good argument for the universe being either infinite or else extremely complicated to be experienced in one, ten or 1000 lives :)
 
I can not help but find this wide-spread view to be idiotic and possibly only a result of practical optimism (i.e. believing something because it suits one to do so).

I don't hold that view because of "practical optimism", unless you include believing something because I find it plausible. This thread asked for personal opinion, and I know that I personally am bored if there are no noteworthy things happening. Even if I'm happy for a long time, it begins losing its edge without troubles to contrast against. It should be noted that I interpreted Kyriakos' second post to mean that we should discuss afterlife and not perpetual life, so I made my statement based on the two common scenarios of afterlife (eternal torment and eternal bliss). Considering that both seem by nature monotone, I believe that both alternatives will eventually lead to an apathetic existence regardless of the severity of punishment or level of joy.

(1) No fear. Whatsoever. There simply is no reason anymore? Screwed up? Who cares, you got eternity to make up for it.

Without risk, you also take out one of the greater opponents of apathy.

(2) No limitations. In eternity, everything seems possible!

If you have no limits, what do you have to strive for? Are there any challenges left for you?

(3) The boredom-argument is stupid.

I'm glad to hear you have formed an opinion on my views on the matter. I defer to your superior understanding of eternal life.

Who says the number of things to be experienced is finite? Last I head the universe isn't.

There are an infinite amount of subtle ways to say "hello", but I wouldn't really interpret them all separately.

Besides, even if they were. For our lacky memory, when you had finally finished experiencing everything, you could start again and everything would be new again.

As long as you wouldn't eventually start remembering what you've done from the millions of times you circle the universe.

Additionally: Even if you don't forget, there are things that will always keep our emotions happy. Like kissing. Just give it a break and things will be good again.

Apathy over dreariness isn't just a matter of emotion.

Result: Living forever rocks. Us not living forever sucks terribly.

I'm sure you're very convinced of your correctness, allow me to congratulate you on it.
 
I can not help but find this wide-spread view to be idiotic and possibly only a result of practical optimism (i.e. believing something because it suits one to do so).
What on earth sucks about it?
(1) No fear. Whatsoever. There simply is no reason anymore? Screwed up? Who cares, you got eternity to make up for it.
(2) No limitations. In eternity, everything seems possible!
(3) The boredom-argument is stupid. Who says the number of things to be experienced is finite? Last I head the universe isn't. Besides, even if they were. For our lacky memory, when you had finally finished experiencing everything, you could start again and everything would be new again.
Additionally: Even if you don't forget, there are things that will always keep our emotions happy. Like kissing. Just give it a break and things will be good again.

Result: Living forever rocks. Us not living forever sucks terribly.

So you just keep on living...and living...and living...

Gawd, for someone like me, who has closure OCD-ness, that's really unappealing; I want things to have definite beginnings and definite ends.
 
I can not help but find this wide-spread view to be idiotic and possibly only a result of practical optimism (i.e. believing something because it suits one to do so).
What on earth sucks about it?

If you disagree with a viewpoint labeling it as stupid isn't going to help your side of the story any.

I would love to live for 10,000 years, but longer than that? Probably
Longer than 100,000 years... eh.. maybe?
10 million?
5 billion?

At some point it will be too much and you will want to end it.
 
If you disagree with a viewpoint labeling it as stupid isn't going to help your side of the story any.

I would love to live for 10,000 years, but longer than that? Probably
Longer than 100,000 years... eh.. maybe?
10 million?
5 billion?

At some point it will be too much and you will want to end it.

especially if all you have left to read are great Shakespearian type plays ... written by monkeys
 
will eventually lead to an apathetic existence regardless of the severity of punishment or level of joy
You will simply have to master to set yourself goals. It is true, some excitements can only be had in our real, limited and risky life. But that doesn't mean that nothing matters anymore.
Just consider the people who do want to stop to live life.
They either fell overburdened or isolated, or are plagued with physical decay or are mentally ill. The scenario of a person having all possibilities for sure but feeling unchallenged nevertheless and hence apathetic and hence wants to die is pure fiction and IMO not very plausible in the face of human nature.
Without risk, you also take out one of the greater opponents of apathy.
There is risk. Just none with consequences that you couldn't outweigh on the long run. Just think of a game of poker. Is its risk meaningless just because you don't play over a million bucks or something? Of course not. You just have to take it as important for the sake of itself instead of some gain or loss by loosing it. People all over world have managed that and are having fun doing so.
If you have no limits, what do you have to strive for?
Exploring the limitlessness.
Are there any challenges left for you?
Of course. Just because I can't die doesn't mean I am omnipotent.
I'm glad to hear you have formed an opinion on my views on the matter. I defer to your superior understanding of eternal life.
I am flattered.
There are an infinite amount of subtle ways to say "hello", but I wouldn't really interpret them all separately.
That misses my point. You now assumed that infinite just means finite stuff that only becomes infinite by differences which don't really matter to the human mind, which I didn't argue.
As long as you wouldn't eventually start remembering what you've done from the millions of times you circle the universe.
Do you remember most days of 10 years before?
Apathy over dreariness isn't just a matter of emotion.
It in fact is an emotion. And emotions aren't "programmed" to turn suicidal after having existed for a long time or something.
I'm sure you're very convinced of your correctness, allow me to congratulate you on it.
I'll allow you to do when you see that I am right. :cool:
Gawd, for someone like me, who has closure OCD-ness, that's really unappealing; I want things to have definite beginnings and definite ends.
Hugh?
At some point it will be too much and you will want to end it.
The problem is - when you end it, you end it. Forever. Sure, at some point one may feel fed up with living. So what, go get a good sleep for a year, get rest and then things can go on.
especially if all you have left to read are great Shakespearian type plays ... written by monkeys
Write your own stuff :) But as already said. When you finished reading all books. You could probably start with the first one again and it felt like it was the first time. There is only so much your memory can save.
 
You will simply have to master to set yourself goals. It is true, some excitements can only be had in our real, limited and risky life. But that doesn't mean that nothing matters anymore.
Just consider the people who do want to stop to live life.
They either fell overburdened or isolated, or are plagued with physical decay or are mentally ill. The scenario of a person having all possibilities for sure but feeling unchallenged nevertheless and hence apathetic and hence wants to die is pure fiction and IMO not very plausible in the face of human nature.

This had nothing to do with the part that you were quoting.

There is risk. Just none with consequences that you couldn't outweigh on the long run. Just think of a game of poker. Is its risk meaningless just because you don't play over a million bucks or something? Of course not. You just have to take it as important for the sake of itself instead of some gain or loss by loosing it. People all over world have managed that and are having fun doing so.

If you would play poker for eternity and never run the risk of running out of money, I'm pretty sure it would lose most of its luster.

Of course. Just because I can't die doesn't mean I am omnipotent.

Then perhaps you should define what you mean by "no limitations".

That misses my point. You now assumed that infinite just means finite stuff that only becomes infinite by differences which don't really matter to the human mind, which I didn't argue.

Then how do you propose there are an infinite amount of experiences?

Do you remember most days of 10 years before?

The meaningful parts, yes.

It in fact is an emotion. And emotions aren't "programmed" to turn suicidal after having existed for a long time or something.

That just shows you didn't understand what I was saying, at all. Probably better to drop this exchange.
 
Yes. Even if I reach the state of apathy, the preceding centuries of my life would make up for it. Of course, a permanent life with a voluntary switch-off included is optimal.
 
Would you actually want life to continue?
Yeah, definitely. Narz disappearing would be tragic for all.

I don't really understand this "life would get boring after awhile" stuff. Life hasn't gotten boring for me yet. And, in general the elderly (assuming good health & not being lock in some crappy "home") are happier than younger people despite not being as nimble either mentally or physically.

Also, the afterlife doesn't have to be as limited as Earthly life. Maybe you can teleport or have access to the minds of others (assuming consent, while we're dreaming here).

If life could be as cool as my imagination could dream it to be I'd definitely want to live forever. If I ever got bored I could just OD on some afterlife drugs and go in an afterlife coma, right?
 
Yeah, definitely. Narz disappearing would be tragic for all.

I don't really understand this "life would get boring after awhile" stuff. Life hasn't gotten boring for me yet. And, in general the elderly (assuming good health & not being lock in some crappy "home") are happier than younger people despite not being as nimble either mentally or physically.

Also, the afterlife doesn't have to be as limited as Earthly life. Maybe you can teleport or have access to the minds of others (assuming consent, while we're dreaming here).

If life could be as cool as my imagination could dream it to be I'd definitely want to live forever. If I ever got bored I could just OD on some afterlife drugs and go in an afterlife coma, right?

Preferably I'd like to live a different life over and over again with knowledge of my past life. Seems the most unlikely of all the choices, but as I said, I prefer that way. I would easily settle for imaginative after-life though.
 
Preferably I'd like to live a different life over and over again with knowledge of my past life. Seems the most unlikely of all the choices, but as I said, I prefer that way. I would easily settle for imaginative after-life though.
I have thought about that before. I actually had a suicide attempt when I was 18 (took 330 pills, about a six month supply IIRC, fortunately I was prescribed Lithium which is fairly non-toxic) and as I was taking the pills (taking 330 pills takes a long time) I was fantasizing about just such an afterlife & imagining how I'd do it differently. It was such a pleasant daydream (the best I'd felt in months) I almost felt like living again.

Sorry to be morbid, just sharing. Anyway, that scenario would never reoccur.
 
I have thought about that before. I actually had a suicide attempt when I was 18 (took 330 pills, about a six month supply IIRC, fortunately I was prescribed Lithium which is fairly non-toxic) and as I was taking the pills (taking 330 pills takes a long time) I was fantasizing about just such an afterlife & imagining how I'd do it differently. It was such a pleasant daydream (the best I'd felt in months) I almost felt like living again.

Sorry to be morbid, just sharing. Anyway, that scenario would never reoccur.

Heh, I sometimes have lucid dreams where I live a couple years in another life, with full knowledge of this one. Sucks to wake up from them though, as I'm thrown back into this life where just about everything is terrible and wrong.

Though I don't believe I've ever thought about suicide. Lucky me, I guess.
 
If I am alive then I am alive. If I am dead then I am dead. I see no reason for there to be life after death.
To quote from Dune:
Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife — chopping off what’s incomplete and saying: "Now it’s complete because it’s ended here."
 
If you disagree with a viewpoint labeling it as stupid isn't going to help your side of the story any.

I would love to live for 10,000 years, but longer than that? Probably
Longer than 100,000 years... eh.. maybe?
10 million?
5 billion?

At some point it will be too much and you will want to end it.

Supposedly you won't have by default recollection of previous lives though. This way you may have the impression you start anew :)
 
I can not help but find this wide-spread view to be idiotic and possibly only a result of practical optimism (i.e. believing something because it suits one to do so).
What on earth sucks about it?
(1) No fear. Whatsoever. There simply is no reason anymore? Screwed up? Who cares, you got eternity to make up for it.
(2) No limitations. In eternity, everything seems possible!
(3) The boredom-argument is stupid. Who says the number of things to be experienced is finite? Last I head the universe isn't. Besides, even if they were. For our lacky memory, when you had finally finished experiencing everything, you could start again and everything would be new again.
Additionally: Even if you don't forget, there are things that will always keep our emotions happy. Like kissing. Just give it a break and things will be good again.

Result: Living forever rocks. Us not living forever sucks terribly.
You sir, are a wise man!:hatsoff:
 
Well, yes. I enjoy being alive. I like doing things. Just being dead seems rather unproductive.
 
The problem is - when you end it, you end it. Forever. Sure, at some point one may feel fed up with living. So what, go get a good sleep for a year, get rest and then things can go on.

And do what? Say you've been alive for 500 trillion years. What else would you do?
 
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