WTC Mosque Part Four!!!

Is that last line of English supposed to be a translation fo the Latin line before it? If it is, your Latin really sucks.

"Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes" is "Who shall guard the guards themselves?"

Good I was testing you. That's my best friends quote. When it comes to Latin, people put all kinds of meaningless garbage up there.
 
Good I was testing you.
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qui custode custodes = who watches the watchmen

EDIT: or who guards the guards?
 
He also stole it out of a book by Terry Pratchett. I think it was Thud!
Of course, the quote there was:
"Who watches the watchers who watch the watchers?"
Good old Terry Pratchett. One of the most humorous authors ever.
 
He also stole it out of a book by Terry Pratchett. I think it was Thud!
Of course, the quote there was:
"Who watches the watchers who watch the watchers?"
Good old Terry Pratchett. One of the most humorous authors ever.

The quote comes from Juvenal, who was a Roman poet. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
which is literally translated as "Who will guard the guards themselves?" Different people make their own assumptions about it.

BTW I did not know it was in Watchmen, but it was a good movie. I have not had a chance to read the graphic novel.
 
Yep. Both religions preach peace. Somehow man has turned a message of peace and universal brotherhood into one of war and division.

Both religions make a nice job of being a mixed bag in regards to peace, war and division and their fruits on Earth nicely confirm that.
 
I listened to Imam today on C-Span. He sounds like a really good person, he is educated, and a very good public speaker. What he said made alot of sense. I like the idea of his Cordoba plan, bringing multi-faiths together. Because of this, I am behind him 100%. He even preached Jesus! And he is a devout Muslim, who prays five times a day, more than me, much more. The point is, we have to band together as one to eliminate these radical extremists. Decent people all coming together for the common good, against extremism. These extremists have no empathy, to me that is evil. You can only defeat that buy not feeding into them. The media fuels them, and builds them up. And it creates hate, alot of people, feel you can only fight hate with hate. Imam said in so many words, the best way to fight this, is not giving in to hate. We need to concentrate more on the brotherhood of mankind. This is the only way we can defeat this evil purge in society.
 
He even preached Jesus!
Jesus is actually considered to be one of the senior prophets by Muslims, second only to Muhammad. As such, while they hold the New Testament to be corrupted (to varying degrees), most still consider it a legitimate source of information as to his life and preaching.
 
Jesus is actually considered to be one of the senior prophets by Muslims, second only to Muhammad. As such, while they hold the New Testament to be corrupted (to varying degrees), most still consider it a legitimate source of information as to his life.

I am curious about this actually.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. As such, if he wasn't, he was either a liar (A really, really good con man) a lunatic (Believed what he said and that he was healing people but really wasn't) Demonically controlled, legendary (I don't think anyone with sense believes he didn't exist) or in fact, the Son of God.

Good teacher? Doesn't work.
 
I am curious about this actually.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. As such, if he wasn't, he was either a liar (A really, really good con man) a lunatic (Believed what he said and that he was healing people but really wasn't) Demonically controlled, legendary (I don't think anyone with sense believes he didn't exist) or in fact, the Son of God.
Muslims believe that Jesus did not claim to be the literal Son of God, holding it to be a literal distortion which confused his metaphorical assertion- as suggested by Jolly Roger- for his actual message. Similarly, they revere the prophets of the Old Testament, and hold it to be a valid history, but consider it to be a distortion of God's word, and so not a holy text in itself (although many hold that Islam prescribes respect for the holy texts of others).
It may also surprise you to learn that people of many religions, even those outside of the Abrahamic fold, revere Jesus. Hindus often see him as an incarnation of Krishna, while many Buddhist hold him to be a Bodhisattva (an enlightened being), some going so far as to describe him as an incarnation of Avalokiteśvara, the Buddha of compassion. Some simply see him as a sage of great wisdom, or a good person worthy of emulation. Reverence, you see, doesn't necessarily accepting the New Testament as indisputable canon.
 
I am curious about this actually.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. As such, if he wasn't, he was either a liar (A really, really good con man) a lunatic (Believed what he said and that he was healing people but really wasn't) Demonically controlled, legendary (I don't think anyone with sense believes he didn't exist) or in fact, the Son of God.

Good teacher? Doesn't work.
Basicaly they believe Jesus was a prophet from God. He just got some of the details wrong. Just like Moses. The Jews got too obsessed with the laws and the Christians got too obsessed with the trinity and pennence issues.
 
Basicaly they believe Jesus was a prophet from God. He just got some of the details wrong. Just like Moses. The Jews got too obsessed with the laws and the Christians got too obsessed with the trinity and pennence issues.
Actually, I'm lead to believe that both Jesus and Moses are held to have got God's word bang on, it was just their followers who screwed it up.

Which shouldn't really be hard for Christians to get their head around. After all, Domination is a protestant,so he holds Catholicism to be a form of Christianity, but one that screwed up some of the details. It's pretty much the same thing, just at a more fundamental level.
 
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