WTC Mosque Part Four!!!

[MobBoss]

[Citation needed] Evidence please Mobby!

Seriously? You can use google just as well as I, and I am pretty sure these threads have had several links to such polls already. Do your own work for once.

I'd like to see a source for that. How "so many"? 10%? 40%?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present

Protip: its easier to count the non-islamic ones.

 

[Defiant47]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present

Protip: its easier to count the non-islamic ones.

This fails to give a representation of how many followers of the peaceful religion engage in terrorism. Only how many terrorists follow the religion.

You've evaded my question yet again.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Didnt have to watch the video, I saw it on The View yesterday. I just happened to be switching channels and caught it just as the incident went down so saw the whole thing as it happened.

Then I would expect you to know the facts. Perhaps you should watch it again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present

Protip: its easier to count the non-islamic ones.

So those are the acts of perhaps a couple thousand people? And there are over 1 billion Muslims?

 

[Defiant47]

OK, Form has seemed to answer the question better than MobBoss.

So 0.0001% of followers of the peaceful religion of Islam engage in terrorism.

Would you like to cite a new source, or is this good enough?

 

[Traitorfish]

Odd how so many followers of that peaceful religion engage in terrorism......

Catholics or Protestants?

Oh, wait, no, you that other religion which is enough of a demonised minority for you to feel comfortable issuing offensive generalisations about. Carry on!

 

[useless]

It is much easier to blame a minority, republicans are good at this be it muslims or homosexuals.

 

[JollyRoger]

Why should the community center be 4 blocks away? Two gathering places from Muslim prayer actually existed in the World Trade Center towers, so why not actually restore them at Ground Zero itself? I'll even consider allowing Gu9/11ani have his love nest back at the site where the building it was located in collasped.

 

[holy king]

so has it actually been built yet?

 

[Narnia]

I think this is a bad idea. Yes I know that radical muslems destroyed the Trade Towers and not these guys. It doesn't make one iota of difference. I know that these guys are a different group of people and are not affiliated with al-qada or the Taliban and that the terrorists represent a small cult that is based on the muslem faith. Both groups call themselves muslems and so it is culturally insensitive to build a muslem mosque on or beside Ground Zero. I don't see how this is any different than if the US army tried to build a fort on the location were native Americans were once massacred. It doesn't matter that they are not responsible for 9/11, it is still inappropriate.

 

[MobBoss]

This fails to give a representation of how many followers of the peaceful religion engage in terrorism. Only how many terrorists follow the religion.

You've evaded my question yet again.

Not at all, I merely answered it in a way you didnt like. I think it pertinent to show how many terrorists actually come from a demograph. You apparently dont. Oh well.

Then I would expect you to know the facts. Perhaps you should watch it again.

No need to, as I was being factual.

So those are the acts of perhaps a couple thousand people? And there are over 1 billion Muslims?

So what does that matter?

Btw, if there are so many of them then why arent more trying to stop fanatical islamic terrorism? You would think if that many of them are against it they would make some headway.

So 0.0001% of followers of the peaceful religion of Islam engage in terrorism.

How many christians engaged in the crusades? And yet, this issue continues to resound with muslims even unto today.

So, if muslims still link all christians today with the crusaders of history, then whats the problem with americans linking the muslims who perpetrated 9/11 with the religion of Islam?

Answer: nothing.

Tribalism is what it is and its perfectly human. Everyone does it. To wag a finger at Americans for doing it is simply disengenuous at best.

so has it actually been built yet?

Nope.

 

[Lone Wolf]

So, if muslims still link all christians today with the crusaders of history, then whats the problem with americans linking the muslims who perpetrated 9/11 with the religion of Islam?

Answer: nothing.

I for one constantly at OMGCRUSADESOPPRESSIVEWESTERNCHRISTIANWORLD!!!! as much as at OMGEVILMOOSLIMS!!!!

 

[useless]

How many christians engaged in the crusades? And yet, this issue continues to resound with muslims even unto today.So, if muslims still link all christians today with the crusaders of history, then whats the problem with americans linking the muslims who perpetrated 9/11 with the religion of Islam?Answer: nothing.

I have a hard time believing this, as it seems to be yet another excuse to justify your negative view of muslims...

 

[Gustave5436]

I think this is a bad idea. Yes I know that radical muslems destroyed the Trade Towers and not these guys. It doesn't make one iota of difference. I know that these guys are a different group of people and are not affiliated with al-qada or the Taliban and that the terrorists represent a small cult that is based on the muslem faith. Both groups call themselves muslems and so it is culturally insensitive to build a muslem mosque on or beside Ground Zero. I don't see how this is any different than if the US army tried to build a fort on the location were native Americans were once massacred. It doesn't matter that they are not responsible for 9/11, it is still inappropriate.

This is also why we should ban Japanese people from Hawaii and German people from Poland. It's just, like, insensitive and stuff to allow them their basic human liberties, when they go around reminding us of the atrocities they are all so guilty of.

How many christians engaged in the crusades? And yet, this issue continues to resound with muslims even unto today.

How many British people were part of the British army occupying the American colonies? And yet, for decades after American independence, the issue of British imperialism resounded with many Americans.

For residents of various SW Asian countries to mistrust Britain, France, and the USA is perfectly understandable given the history of those countries as interventionist and imperialist powers in the area. As a nationalist yourself, surely you must be able to understand how a people would react to foreign rule? Right wing politicians love the whole revanchism thing because it gets them power, and it works just as well in SW Asia as it did in Europe and America.

 

[Camikaze]

And while you may demonize Bill O for his statements, he did indeed get to the crux of the issue as to why 70% of americans are against building the mosque in that location.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a whopping 70% of Americans are bigoted. Disagreeing with the mosque does not by necessity make you bigoted, but if O'Reilly's comments represent his view, then he clearly is.

 

[useless]

Muslims: The scapegoat for the American right

 

[Defiant47]

Not at all, I merely answered it in a way you didnt like. I think it pertinent to show how many terrorists actually come from a demograph. You apparently dont. Oh well.

Evasion.

You cannot answer a question of "how many Muslims are terrorists?" by answering "how many terrorists are Muslim?". It doesn't make any sense.

It's like answering "how many Hondas are red?" by answering "how many red automobiles are Hondas?" (even if most red cards are Hondas - doesn't tell me anything about what I'll get from getting the odd Honda).

So yes, you answered it in a way I didn't like, because you didn't answer my question at all.

Btw, if there are so many of them then why arent more trying to stop fanatical islamic terrorism? You would think if that many of them are against it they would make some headway.

Geography.

I'm sure here in the first world, where everything is safe and cozy, one could preach about doing things like this all the time.

I doubt it's the same for them, when they probably end up living a few blocks away from heinous and dangerous criminals like that.

Most people are concerned about trying to live a normal live, and taking care of their family, MobBoss.

How many christians engaged in the crusades? And yet, this issue continues to resound with muslims even unto today.

Deflection.

I haven't heard of any of this. And even if any Muslims have this issue "resound" in them, then they are committing the same logical fallacies that you are (perhaps worse), and are simply wrong.

You can't just argue "but these people are thinking these wrong things, so it's alright to think wrong things back at them".

Tribalism is what it is and its perfectly human. Everyone does it.

Appeal to human indecency.

Just because something is perfectly human doesn't mean it's right. Come on. This is basic stuff they even teach in kindergarten.

To wag a finger at Americans for doing it is simply disengenuous at best.

Pardon me for expecting the greatest and most developed power on Earth to field a population that is informed and logical about issues, while uneducated people on the other side of the planet on a not-so-rosy country may have some wrong opinions.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Good to see you again, Gustave.

Absolutely famous post, Defiant.

 

[El_Machinae]

Pakistan Median age: total: 20.8 years
American Median age: total: 36.7 years

We should expect one population to act more maturely than the other!

 

[MobBoss]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a whopping 70% of Americans are bigoted. Disagreeing with the mosque does not by necessity make you bigoted, but if O'Reilly's comments represent his view, then he clearly is.

You are right. I agree that they can be opposed to the mosque and not be labeled bigoted.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Does O'Reilly's original comments represent your view? That "Muslims killed us on 9/11"? That the religion is really to blame instead of a handful of extremists?