Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by Leoreth, Jun 22, 2013.
I haven't had time to take a look at this problem yet, please be patient.
One of the largest and one of the most populous countries of Europe -- Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth -- is currently represented by new-born Peterburg size Warsaw and ugly 3X3 rectangle.
Vilnius would make it actually to look like Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, not just Mazovia.
Russian AI will have more "tensions" along more borders and would feel stronger about Polish partitions.
German AI will still be stronger with 4 cities vs 2 Polish.
Baltic races are completely absent in DoC. But Europe was not about Romano-Germanic and Slavic nations only. Even Finno-Ugric people are represented by 2 cities, why can't we have one Baltic city?
Krakow, Lublin, Lvov -- they are all absent, no indication of Polish domination over the Western Ukraine, Silesia, Galicia. Map is too small and does not allow for more accurate representation of historical and cultural reality of 18 century Eastern Europe. At least one lovely Vilnius will make a statement, that -- look, Eastern Europe was not only about Russians and Germans, it was not about Orthodoxy vs Protestantism at all. Antemurale Christianitatis, Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was declining, but still present in affairs of 18th century Europe, at least as a 2 cities civ!
(In that regard Orthodoxy should not be present in Warsaw, but instead Catholicism must be present in Kiev, which represents entire religiously and politically divided Ukraine).
I fully agree.
In 1700 AD wasn't Australia already colonized or nearly fully colonized ? Also, The Mughals and British weren't at war in 1700 AD and it wasn't till 1756 that the British actually annexed territory. How come there are no French colonies in India and how come the Europeans are completely absent from South East Asia and Southern China ?
Britain began colonizing Australia in 1788 according to Wikipedia
As for the others: Some Euro-civs can still build their trading company and gain cities in that area this way.
Yeah Captain Cook wasn't even born in 1700 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook
I found this site: http://geacron.com/home-en/
I hope this will be helpful.
Actually new findings suggested that Kilwa, Dutch and Portuguese have been to Australia before England "discover" it.
Isn't that common knowledge? New Zealand and Tasmania have also been discovered by (/ named after) Dutch things; Zeeland is a Dutch province, and Abel Tasman (who discovered Tasmania) was a Dutchman.
For Vilnius, when I suggested Polish Minsk on the same spot (because it's bit too far east for Vilnius), the response was rather negative. Could've been before the European expansion, though.
what european expansion? I'm confused.
I meant the extra tiles Europe received in 1.11.
If the tile ownership is changed so that the borders look less ugly and convoluted, I think that would be a good idea. Should be Minsk, not Vilnius though. Looking at maps makes me almost want to suggest the atrocious Lwow to represent Polish control over Western Ukraine and Galicia.
What part of europe recieved extra tiles?
IMHO, poland should still control those areas in RL, but I don't wanna start a political discussion.
Scandinavia was reshaped, and Germany, Poland and the Baltic received one extra row to the north.
thanks for doing that. Europe feels less crowded now but I didn't know why
Yeah, you can thank Blizzrd Jusos for that. He came up with the Scandinavia redesign and the resulting space in Europe.
Why it was negative? Too crowded? One cannot expect to have no overlaps in Europe, but existing tiles can totally support one medium sized city.
Good Idea But,
Move it 1 tile South, call it Minsk (that is more accurate from a geographic standpoint. Wilno itself would crowd Koenigsberg)
And add Lwow (which is rightfully polish) to the map as well.
That would probably be the best way to represent Poland.
I thought I was that one, but I guess I was imagining it all.
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