2018 U.S election

Defenses of the Senate that aren't incoherent are just abhorrent. Minority rule is wrong, and the Senate is a tool expressly designed for minority rule (and it will only become more so as the proportion of the population voting for Republicans continues to shrink).

I will admit that the mental and verbal gymnastics Farm Boy performs to make minority rule seem legit are somewhat impressive.
I'm not talking about minority rule in general. I'm talking about the specific complaint about the popular vote for the Senate in the 2018 election that some Dems have been making. I think it isn't a very strong complaint.

I feel as though I've made it fairly clear elsewhere where my feelings about the Senate and the Electoral College lie.
 
The results were very upsetting.

There was no Blue Wave. The Democrats won the House, but just barely. This despite many more people voting for Democrats than for Republicans. I suppose we can chalk that up to gerrymandering. The results in the Senate were of course even worse. There is some small hope in the results for governors.

One mistake is just a mistake. But with this election's result we have to consider the possibility that Donald Trump and his party simply represent the American people better than the Democrats do. We have to look this right in the face and admit the possibility that Donald Trump shows us what we have become.

That makes me very, very sad.
 
We'll let our technical reasons play ball together out in the back 40 then, eh?

The EC works sorta hybridized between the Senate the House. I'm actually amazed that its margin of power has come into play twice in 20. It's where a lot of the bile in conversations like the one I had with Tim come from. If it makes you feel any better, I am constantly irritated talking to my irl conservative peers that read the news and watch too much Youtube(particularly). That is a full 50% of my rude swipes and now I'm worried Boots thinks I was aiming at him. Remember meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

What? I know you wouldn't swipe at me. Not with my weakness for deplorable country bumpkins like you. :p
 
One mistake is just a mistake. But with this election's result we have to consider the possibility that Donald Trump and his party simply represent the American people better than the Democrats do. We have to look this right in the face and admit the possibility that Donald Trump shows us what we have become.

As I watch my state drift into the completely red sphere I have become convinced this is true. The only consolation I can find in it is that generally the small town folk around don't think of themselves as racist, they just act that way. They don't want the rich to get richer while the rest of the nation suffers, they just don't want to be "on the dole". They don't want to be bombing countries they can't find on a map they just can't be bothered to get worked about about it to force Washington to stop. The list goes on, if you are bothered by it, I can explain why small town republicans are convinced they are right. Don;t get me started on the trade war and union stuff.

They really don't like that gender bathroom thing and boy they still want to discriminate against gay people though.
 
And New England.


Cuba, not PR. Realistically PR is too small. You could do the whole archipelago--PR and the Lesser Antilles--but much of that is not US territory which complicates things. Cuba is transitioning from the Castro era. The radical change from State to state might be doable.

J

New England with a combined population of 14.8 million would be the 5th largest state in population - the Dakotas are currently the 46th and 47th largest states in population - and combined would be just under 1.6 million which would be the 40th largest state in population - ridiculous comparison! Others have already properly mocked your "PR is too small" comment thankfully.
 
The results were very upsetting.

There was no Blue Wave. The Democrats won the House, but just barely. This despite many more people voting for Democrats than for Republicans. I suppose we can chalk that up to gerrymandering. The results in the Senate were of course even worse. There is some small hope in the results for governors.

One mistake is just a mistake. But with this election's result we have to consider the possibility that Donald Trump and his party simply represent the American people better than the Democrats do. We have to look this right in the face and admit the possibility that Donald Trump shows us what we have become.

That makes me very, very sad.
Hmmm...plus 30 seats now and more on the way. Hardly, "just barely". The turnout alone points strongly in the direction that trump is mostly disliked by Americans and does not represent the majority of the people. I will give him 35%.
 
The results were very upsetting.

There was no Blue Wave. The Democrats won the House, but just barely. This despite many more people voting for Democrats than for Republicans. I suppose we can chalk that up to gerrymandering. The results in the Senate were of course even worse. There is some small hope in the results for governors.

One mistake is just a mistake. But with this election's result we have to consider the possibility that Donald Trump and his party simply represent the American people better than the Democrats do. We have to look this right in the face and admit the possibility that Donald Trump shows us what we have become.

That makes me very, very sad.
1. The Dems control the House by around thirty votes. That's a pretty safe majority, not "barely". Gerrymandering hurt, but the ~36-seat gain that is likely once all the dust settles is of a piece with the larger gains of the last few decades. The only one that stands out is the Republican 60-seat gain in 2010, which had more to do with the collapse of a humongous post-2008 Democratic majority than anything else. The Republicans in 2018 didn't have as far to fall. The most important thing, of course, is that House control flipped. Trump no longer has an iron lock on the government. He can be investigated. His budgets can be meddled with. The House can send up bills on big-ticket issues and force the Senate to put no votes on record. This is huge.

2. If the Dems won the popular vote by a mile and made big gains in the House despite gerrymandering and vote suppression, how on Earth can you even come close to the conclusion that Donald Trump and his party represent the American people better? That is literally the opposite conclusion from the one that makes sense.

3. Don't forget the progress made in flipping governor's mansions (now recovering from the Republican dominance of the 2000s and 2010s) and statehouses this election, too. Democrats are increasing the areas that they have under full control and making inroads in places where they don't have full control. These are the first steps in reversing all the monstrous hot garbage that Republican-controlled state governments did over the last two decades. We can start to roll back the Koch brothers' constitutional convention, improve access to voting rights, expand Medicaid, and do all sorts of similar useful things, in addition to, y'know, governing the states. Before Tuesday, some people were worried that the Republicans would get the chance to turn more states into Brownback's Kansas. They, uh, are not going to get that chance, to say the least.

The Dems didn't run the slate in the election. It wasn't perfect. The highest-media-profile candidates, like Beto, didn't win. But the reason they had the highest media profile was because they were "reach" candidates in the first place! You think that the Republicans are happy that a Dem got within three percent of flipping a Texas Senate seat? No. You think they're happy that they have to go to three Florida recounts for statewide offices? Pft. You think they're happy that Abrams is within recount territory even after Kemp's corrupt voter roll purging? Not even a little. They had so many of the advantages this time around. They had a relatively strong economy and job market - two of the more decisive advantages any president can have - and an absurdly favorable map in the Senate. But they're unpopular because of their trash policies and their trash president, and the Dems out-hustled them. In 2016 pundits were predicting even tighter Republican control after the 2018 election. They'd have the opportunity to put the Senate on lockdown (if they were to get more than 56-7 Senate seats, the Dems wouldn't be able to retake the chamber in the 2020 elex when more Republicans are vulnerable) and maybe even keep the House if the economy stayed strong. Instead, they've got divided government, and came away with what might be only a two-seat Senate gain when they were expecting as many as ten. That's huge.
 
New England with a combined population of 14.8 million would be the 5th largest state in population - the Dakotas are currently the 46th and 47th largest states in population - and combined would be just under 1.6 million which would be the 40th largest state in population - ridiculous comparison! Others have already properly mocked your "PR is too small" comment thankfully.

Feel free to join in. No matter how many people mock him for that, or how often, he still comes back with it the next time it hits the top of his assigned talking points list so there's no reason you shouldn't enjoy it as much as everyone else.
 
The Dems didn't run the slate in the election. It wasn't perfect. The highest-media-profile candidates, like Beto, didn't win. But the reason they had the highest media profile was because they were "reach" candidates in the first place! You think that the Republicans are happy that a Dem got within three percent of flipping a Texas Senate seat? No. You think they're happy that they have to go to three Florida recounts for statewide offices? Pft. You think they're happy that Abrams is within recount territory even after Kemp's corrupt voter roll purging? Not even a little.

But, but...Trump at his press conference on Wednesday said that it was a huge victory for the GOP. Surely you aren't suggesting that he lied?
 
Here's what to do
  • The five rectangular states stacked directly north of Texas, and the stack of three states to their west, plus Idaho, all become one state.
  • New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine merge
  • Append Delaware back to Pennsylvania since its largest city is a suburb of Philadelphia
  • The four south-western desert states merge (Colorado joins the other big state instead)
  • One Carolina
  • Massachusetts absorbs Rhode Island and Connecticut
  • Split New Jersey, with the half that's just suburban New York going to New York and the Philadelphia suburbs going to Pennsylvania
  • Maximum of two states formed out of everything between Minnesota, Missouri and Ohio (I'm thinking Ohio, Indiana and lower Michigan as one state and the other 5 states plus upper Michigan form the other one)
  • One Virginia, but West Virginia gets to vote on whether to rejoin Virginia or the new larger state containing Ohio
  • Kentucky and Tennessee merge
  • Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama merge
  • Louisiana absorbs Arkansas
  • Virginia and Maryland merge and absorb the populated parts of DC
  • Puerto Rico admitted, with Virgin Islands appended to it
  • Samoa admitted as a state or ceded to New Zealand
  • The other two Pacific territories merged and admitted. Your unreasonably small states are going to be annexed island chains and Alaska, rather than just random squares of farmland.
 
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Here's what to do
  • The five rectangular states stacked directly north of Texas, and the stack of three states to their west, plus Idaho, all become one state.
  • New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine merge
  • Append Delaware back to Pennsylvania since its largest city is a suburb of Philadelphia
  • The four south-western desert states merge (Colorado joins the other big state instead)
  • One Carolina
  • Massachusetts absorbs Rhode Island and Connecticut
  • Split New Jersey, with the half that's just suburban New York going to New York and the Philadelphia suburbs going to Pennsylvania
  • Maximum of two states formed out of everything between Minnesota, Missouri and Ohio (I'm thinking Ohio, Indiana and lower Michigan as one state and the other 5 states plus upper Michigan form the other one)
  • One Virginia, but West Virginia gets to vote on whether to rejoin Virginia or the new larger state containing Ohio
  • Kentucky and Tennessee merge
  • Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama merge
  • Louisiana absorbs Arkansas
  • Virginia and Maryland merge and absorb the populated parts of DC
  • Puerto Rico admitted, with Virgin Islands appended to it
  • Samoa admitted as a state or ceded to New Zealand
  • The other two Pacific territories merged and admitted. Your unreasonably small states are going to be annexed island chains and Alaska, rather than just random squares of farmland.
It still needs some sort of compromise on Missouri.

J
 
Arwon will be deep in the cold, hard ground before he recognizes Missouri.
 
P.S. I am not a crank
 
Uh the governor of Florida is mad that they're counting votes

“Late Tuesday night our win was projected about 57,000 votes. By Wednesday morning that lead dropped to 38,000 votes. By Wednesday evening, it was around 30,000 votes. This morning, it was around 21,000. Now, it is 15,000” Gov. Rick Scott said.
 
Of course he is. Democracy is only for Republicans, remember?
 
Uh the governor of Florida is mad that they're counting votes

“Late Tuesday night our win was projected about 57,000 votes. By Wednesday morning that lead dropped to 38,000 votes. By Wednesday evening, it was around 30,000 votes. This morning, it was around 21,000. Now, it is 15,000” Gov. Rick Scott said.
Marco Rubio and Trump have also thrown fits on Twitter. There are movements right now to harrass poll workers and otherwise forcibly disrupt the recount by the far right.
 
Trump throwing a tantrum on Twitter? It must be Friday.
 
I know I just meant that they are specifically attacking the legitimacy of the election because they might lose.
 
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