2020 US Election (Part One)

[MagisterCultuum]

I kind of want to see Buttigieg chosen as the Vice President, not because I particularly like or agree with him but because I've love to watch a VP debate where Mike Pence looses to a gay man who can quote Scripture better than himself. Ideally he would cite Ezekiel and the Talmud to prove that supporting Trump's immigration policies makes one a Sodomite.

 

[Zardnaar]

Austin 3:16

 

[Sommerswerd]

Gimme your money and I'll spend it

Huh? You just said:

I'd feel bad about taking money from the innocent.

Now apparently you're fine with it all of a sudden because it suits your argument. You contradict yourself more often than Yahweh. Either you just make up your positions as you go along to be as self-serving as possible... Or you are literally so hypocritical and steeped in cognitive dissonance that you genuinely can't perceive the contradictions you constantly make... I still can't figure out which... maybe its both.

 

[Socrates99]

I kind of want to see Buttigieg chosen as the Vice President, not because I particularly like or agree with him but because I've love to watch a VP debate where Mike Pence looses to a gay man who can quote Scripture better than himself. Ideally he would cite Ezekiel and the Talmud to prove that supporting Trump's immigration policies makes one a Sodomite.

Somebody really should fight back against Pence's faux Christianity. There's almost nothing about the Trump admin that the real Christ would approve of.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Even if money's not being put into my pocket, it's being put into the pockets of people who will put that cash into the economy rather than parking it in high-interest stock accounts.

But not putting that money into high-interest stock accounts of the rich, you are surrendering the economy and the nation to Communism!

Somebody really should fight back against Pence's faux Christianity. There's almost nothing about the Trump admin that the real Christ would approve of.

Pfffft! Everyone knows that Christ was a Commie!

 

[Tristan_C]

Somebody really should fight back against Pence's faux Christianity. There's almost nothing about the Trump admin that the real Christ would approve of.

I am not sure there is a real-world government Jesus of Nazareth would "approve" of. Certainly not any of Buttigeig's or the left's policies or philosophical ideas, if that's what you're trying to imply here. The right subscribes to fairness-as-proportionality, or equity, which is the so-called "Protestant ethic" described by Weber. Trump's views on foreign trade and immigration at least correspond with this, if with nothing else.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Gimme your money and I'll spend it

Kansans spend my tax dollars every day and I'm happy for it. I don't mind paying for roads and schools and hospitals in backward states even as the occupants of said states continue to scoff at me and mine as if they didn't gorge on a disproportionate amount of the tax take because I'm not a selfish monster.

 

[Takhisis]

I am literally unsure what you're asking. Please elaborate.

They say that the Democrats need more traction in certain states. So, how would the support of local elected officials (legislators, governors, mayors) help? How would appointing a VP nominee from those regions help?

Too late. The Hillary hate was baked in over a loooooong stretch before 2008. Trying to turn it on Harris in a matter of months isn't going to work. Well, except for the obvious people whose hatred of Hillary is rooted in nothing more than "women shouldn't be in politics so I am automatically opposed," they'll follow right along and spew constantly about Harris being crazy or whatever, just like they spout constantly about Clinton without any particular grounds.

I can just see Hannity with a Liberal Lunacy: The New Hillary headline.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Kansans spend my tax dollars every day and I'm happy for it. I don't mind paying for roads and schools and hospitals in backward states even as the occupants of said states continue to scoff at me and mine as if they didn't gorge on a disproportionate amount of the tax take because I'm not a selfish monster.

Kansas, et al, spending my tax dollars was a significant contributor to my decision to stop making taxable income. I don't think I'm a selfish monster, but eventually you have to let a few idiots drown if they collectively refuse to learn to swim.

 

[Hygro]

Depends almost entirely on how energized the democratic base is. That's why a jackass who dismissively waves away a large portion of his base like Biden does is probably one of the least likely to beat Trump rather than most likely.

The centrists only show up when the base is excited.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

@Timsup2nothin -
And I probably came off as holier than thou there when I didn't mean it that way.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin -
And I probably came off as holier than thou there when I didn't mean it that way.

Nah. You were spot on. It's easy to put things in terms of selfish monsters when talking about the red states.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The centrists only show up when the base is excited.

Yeah, but more often than not they show up to vote against the excited base.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The centrists only show up when the base is excited.

And the base is only excited when the centrists are skeptical, uneasy and disgruntled. In 2008 Hillary was the centrists' choice, while the base was riled up about Obama... eventually (almost*) everyone came around...

A top Hillary Rodham Clinton fundraiser threw her support behind Republican John McCain on Wednesday, saying he will lead the country in a centrist fashion and accusing the Democrats of becoming too extreme. "I believe that Barack Obama, with MoveOn.org and Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean, has taken the Democratic Party _ and they will continue to _ too far to the left," Lynn Forester de Rothschild said. "I'm not comfortable there."

Rothschild is also a member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee. She said she would be stepping down from her position on the committee

EDIT x-posted: See Tim's above comment

 

[Socrates99]

I am not sure there is a real-world government Jesus of Nazareth would "approve" of. Certainly not any of Buttigeig's or the left's policies or philosophical ideas, if that's what you're trying to imply here. The right subscribes to fairness-as-proportionality, or equity, which is the so-called "Protestant ethic" described by Weber. Trump's views on foreign trade and immigration at least correspond with this, if with nothing else.

Eh, I'd point more towards the parable of the Good Samaritan as a clear command to treat strangers, even the "other," as a neighbor. Even the old trope conservatives often turn to about charity being a personal choice isn't applying here since donations are ignored or turned away at these centers and water left in the desert is dumped in a very unchristian manner.

I could go on with how universal healthcare is a more christ like position, giving the naked you're second tunic is a command to share wealth, the parable of the prodigal son is a sign that lifetime punishment for poor choices in youth shouldn't be a thing, tuition free college is teaching a man to fish, etc.

Your whataboutism is on pretty weak ground if "protestant work ethic" is an example of following Christ. This puts it in a pretty funny light if you're up for a laugh at your own political expense.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I am thinking about muting Fox news entirely on my news feeds. I keep it because I don't want to live in a complete bubble but they have absolutely stepped up their propaganda efforts to the point where I can't escape it even when casually browsing headlines. A news piece titled 'Trump in damage control (like all other Presidents)' in relation to the Epstein scandal is such blatant bull that I see no value in even reading to understand what the other side thinks. The other side is being led to believe crazy stuff and by all indications are going along with it just fine. There is no value in trying to understand the right anymore or even keeping serious tabs on what they're thinking/doing, they might as well be from a different country.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

The protestant work ethic is something directly contrary to what Jesus taught. He said that if we would be perfect we should be like God who causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. In the parable of the laborers in the vineyard he insisted that it is right for the workers hired in the morning who worked all day to receive no more pay than those who were hired in the evening who hardly worked at all, condemning the ungrateful harder workers who thought they deserved more than the owner of the vineyard agreed to give them just because others who worked less got as much.

 

[Takhisis]

Dude, you're not supposed to quote God's actual words to those who claim to speak in His name.

 

[Socrates99]

Dude, you're not supposed to quote God's actual words to those who claim to speak in His name.

...but that's what's so fun about it.

 

[El_Machinae]

Christianity was a faith designed to help a conquered people make peace with their place in the world. It later morphed into a faith that could include rulers, but it was never designed to be in charge. Talking about government and Christianity will always lead to disagreement, it's like trying to divide by zero and then arguing about what type of infinity it is. It just doesn't work, and people shoe-horn in their biases.