This quote will serve as nice comedy in a few months from now when Kamala isn't even in the race.
Anyway, she is insane
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This quote will serve as nice comedy in a few months from now when Kamala isn't even in the race.
Anyway, she is insane
Socrates99
Bottoms up!
I'm still a little confused as to why people think the guy with the most grass roots donors and volunteers isn't going to be a competitor. Warren and Harris have yet to catch up to Bernie and Biden's numbers will continue to tank.
Cause some seem to think it is good if some corporations give vast amounts of money to some candidate - somehow this will make that candidate be for the people.
Bernie isn't dropping out anytime soon. He would likely be the last one to drop out of the race, regardless of his poll numbers, because even if he started fading in the polls, his loyal following gives him a decent polling floor which will keep him in all the debates.
Biden's biggest strength is the perception that he is the frontrunner and the inevitable nominee. At the foundation of his support is that feeling that he's the only choice. As that crumbles there will be no getting it back because there's nothing else behind it. He doesn't have a loyal following like Bernie or Warren and he has no shiny new excitement factor like any of the other candidates. People just support him because he seems like the correct one to support... but that is going away... and that right soon.
Lexicus
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https://jacobinmag.com/2019/07/joe-...s1-lQ6EwiC7jjjGYyvGcL30LO39aPr4_AosERjOqZRBao
This is imo a good discussion of Biden's role in the lead-up to the Iraq War. He collaborated heavily with the Bush Administration to help sell the war to the public. His degree of culpability appears much greater than Hillary's (which is why it's perhaps ironic that Obama chose Biden as his veep after Hillary's Iraq vote probably cost her the primary).
This is imo a good discussion of Biden's role in the lead-up to the Iraq War. He collaborated heavily with the Bush Administration to help sell the war to the public. His degree of culpability appears much greater than Hillary's (which is why it's perhaps ironic that Obama chose Biden as his veep after Hillary's Iraq vote probably cost her the primary).
Obama had other reasons for picking Biden
Zkribbler
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Thank you, Kyriakos.
Zardnaar
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Damn Trump can win this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...its-helping-him-polls/?utm_term=.042d867918bf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...its-helping-him-polls/?utm_term=.042d867918bf
Socrates99
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Depends almost entirely on how energized the democratic base is. That's why a jackass who dismissively waves away a large portion of his base like Biden does is probably one of the least likely to beat Trump rather than most likely.
People who're nervous of what Trump represents have under-reacted to him such that his re-winning is pretty likely.
Berzerker
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https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...ies-to-backtrack-on-support-for-forced-busing
As Willie Brown noted in his op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle, “The first Democratic debates proved one thing: We still don’t have a candidate who can beat Donald Trump.”
'A leading factor in home selection, as any real estate agent can tell you, is what school the family’s children will attend. Rather than have their child used as a pawn in a social engineering scheme, many whites fled the big cities for the nearby suburbs. Other whites remained, but sent their children to private or parochial schools, if they could, leaving only poorer families — white or black — to populate the big city schools.
In other words, principally because of busing, large city school districts became de facto even more segregated than before.'
As Willie Brown noted in his op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle, “The first Democratic debates proved one thing: We still don’t have a candidate who can beat Donald Trump.”
'A leading factor in home selection, as any real estate agent can tell you, is what school the family’s children will attend. Rather than have their child used as a pawn in a social engineering scheme, many whites fled the big cities for the nearby suburbs. Other whites remained, but sent their children to private or parochial schools, if they could, leaving only poorer families — white or black — to populate the big city schools.
In other words, principally because of busing, large city school districts became de facto even more segregated than before.'
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I disagree with that. All of the 'major' candidates have support from multiple groups comprising the Democratic Party and the left/center left in general.
So what you are saying is that racial integration programs won't work because whitey is too racist and racially motivated bank lending polices prevented black families from also moving to the suburbs?
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Anyway, she is insane
Is there any basis for this diagnosis, or is it just a reflection of the knee jerk misogyny I've come to expect from you?
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I think I see what you're saying. Do you think I supported reparations to the Irish but changed my mind because I oppose reparations for slavery? I brought up the Irish and my opposition to reparations because thats my ancestral history and to show racial bias is not relevant to my argument. I explained why I oppose reparations for the Irish, its the same reason I oppose reparations for slavery. Reparations are self-evidently unreasonable and immoral because the sinners and saints are long gone and the people 'repairing' the sin are innocent.
Those candidates wont get elected on the power of their bases, they have to walk a tightrope appealing to other people who oppose certain policies like busing. And now other candidates (Sanders, Gillibrand) jumped into the trap with Kamala. They're actually arguing for busing again when 3/4s of the country opposed it back then and oppose it now.
Such is the problem with primaries, how do you win the true believers without losing everyone else. The Dems will lose this election pushing issues like that. Busing and reparations, go for it Dems... We'll get Trump for another 4 years. On the surface Kamala may have won that exchange with the base but lost it with other voters, 'the people' are with Biden on busing.
According to the article both white and black parents opposed busing because they didn't want their kids sitting on buses for 1-2 hours a day when the neighborhood school was available. Brown vs Board of Education was about a black kid having to spend hours riding a bus to a distant school because they couldn't go to the local white school. So we turned that idea around and forced kids to spend hours on buses anyway.
edit: I misread a poll
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/camp...ng-school-segregation-six-things-to-know.html
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I don't think the topic of reparations is polically viable, but it needs to stop being seen as an "us vs. them" topic to begin with. It's about making society whole. As you mentioned, it's not just about slavery, it goes all the way up to 40 years ago with school segregation, the effects of which are still being felt to this day.
Socrates99
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Reparations has only resurged as a topic because some disingenuous douche nozzles thought it'd be a good angle to attack Bernie's supposed "black problem." As was said before very few of the candidates have anything close to a true reparations proposal.
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Just for the record, forty years ago the problem ran deeper than school segregation. I have contemporaries that grew up in a red line district and forty years ago they had no school.
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This. Also, an established, generic, "moderate" Democrat is not winning this thing and will lose for the same reason Hillary did.
Hillary ran on "a progressive platform", but her actual experience in politics is that of a conservative democrat. Then she chose a running mate who is even more conservative than she is.
Of course, the Bernie or bust/progressives didn't buy it at all which is why some of them didn't vote and some even voted for Trump just to spite her.
You cannot appeal to "moderate Republicans and independents" who were always going to hate you no matter what you were going to do. You cannot isolate your progressive base while taking their votes completely for granted. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have the best chance to win for this reason.
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This is the flaw in your argument. Hillary Clinton couldn't appeal to moderate Republicans and independents because they have been trained to hate her for a full generation, or longer. That made Hillary a bad choice, and in truth only the GOP fielding a complete dingbat kept her from getting totally blown out. But that doesn't change the reality that no Democrat can win without appealing to moderate Republicans and independents...that's just math.
The GOP will have a much harder time sticking the opponent with "but socialist" or "but progressive" than they had sticking her with "but Hillary." That doesn't mean the Democrat can afford to make it easy for them.
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