2020 US Election (Part One)

[Timsup2nothin]

If she had spent more time campaigning in certain states she may have still won regardless.
That's why you should pay more attention to the rules for victory.
She got complacent

Counted on D'ump driving Democrat turnout...underestimated the monumental stupidity that is rampant in the Democratic party rank and file.

 

[Kyriakos]

If the voting public isn't good it is time to dissolve it and elect a new one

 

[Narz]

Clinton lost for the same reason most Democrats have lost for the past seventy years...her biggest single claim to fame among Democrats was that more than anyone else that could possibly be found she would absolutely enrage anyone who had even a single hair tilted towards the GOP. It's funny watching Democrats cry about how Republicans support Trump "just because he lights the <other side>'s hair on fire" when that has been the core of their strategy for decades and still is.

She lost because she didn't try at all to convert anyone. Viewing anyone who didn't see things her way as a "basket of deplorables", you take it a step further calling even potential allies (unmotivated left-leaning voters) "clowns".

Quite the pep-talk to win voters...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What's the point of that story?

Just a story your behavior brings to mind. As to your qualifications to assign me "homework," make a list of them on paper and read them with a hemorrhoid.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If the voting public isn't good it is time to dissolve it and elect a new one

I agree, actually. I consider US democracy a failure and primarily I think we just need to move on. We have allowed the experiment to deteriorate into rulership by a majority of the most stupid.

 

[Fippy]

Oh okay, my impression was that she was not a people's person (which would sell compared to somebody like Trump).
I remember seeing interviews etc that called her too far away from your standard citizen.
Ofc there are other reasons, but those who are really torn on which side to pick would prefer someone they can relate to.

 

[Narz]

Just type "voter turnout 2016" into google it's not that hard. If you were being more pleasant I'd do it for you

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Just type "voter turnout 2016" into google it's not that hard. If you were being more pleasant I'd do it for you

Oh, okay...hey, look;

In 2016, 61.4 percent of the citizen voting-age population reported voting, a number not statistically different from the 61.8 percent who reported voting in 2012.[/quote

She lost. With lowest voter turnout in decades.

So, in the navy we had this "minimum level of knowledge requirement" that was summarized as "recognizes right answer when told." People who couldn't even manage that were deemed too stupid to not be a danger to humanity.

 

[rah]

But despite all of that, she only lost by a few thousand votes in a few key states.

 

[Fippy]

True Rah, but i remember looking at odds before the election (big event even outside the US)..she should have won easily.

 

[Narz]

Not decades perhaps but fewer votes than Obama w an overall higher population

But despite all of that, she only lost by a few thousand votes in a few key states.

Should never have happened, despite all the hoopla about Trump he also got less turnout than usual

 

[Timsup2nothin]

True Rah, but i remember looking at odds before the election (big event even outside the US)..she should have won easily.

Well, more accurately the oddsmakers misread the situation. There is no "should have happened" based on odds.

 

[rah]

True Rah, but i remember looking at odds before the election (big event even outside the US)..she should have won easily.

The company I work for ran many simulations and Trump won about 20% of them

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Not decades perhaps but fewer votes than Obama w an overall higher population

So now we know where you stand with regard to that basic minimum...thanks for verifying.

 

[Narz]

Lol whatever helps you feel superior. Clinton got the fewest votes of a Democratic presidental candidate since 2004.

 

[Takhisis]

As much as Dems complain that Trump attempted to reverse everything Obama did as president just because it was Obama, I expect the exact same thing to happen if a Dem is elected in 2020. And that republicans will do a similar foaming at the mouth.

Would it be a bad thing to see the Democrats stop destroying international treaties and organisations, (re-)enfranchise voters so that the US has universal suffrage, introduce a living wage, and so forth?

 

[rah]

No, not at all. I'm just pointing it out for when the republicans start whining and the Dems are laughing at them.

 

[Takhisis]

What do you mean ‘start’? They whine even when they win.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Lol whatever helps you feel superior.

Cool. So what usually makes me feel the most superior is a clown making a totally wrong statement and then being offended when the facts are thrown in his face...especially after the clown has the absolute arrogance to suggest exactly where said facts can be found as if the other person didn't already know.

Doesn't make me feel superior in any general way...just in comparison to the clown in question.

 

[onejayhawk]

But despite all of that, she only lost by a few thousand votes in a few key states.

More like a few hundred thousand, but it's a valid point. Trump won only six states that Romney did not win--Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania--plus one vote in Maine. Florida was paper thin in 2012 and could easily have gone the other way. That would have made the electoral vote 303-235 Obama, which is much more indicative of the popular vote margin.

Of the six, Trump only got more than 10% movement only in Iowa and Ohio. In Florida it was 2.07%, which is indicative of how hard fought the state was. Pennsylvania moved 6.1%, Wisconsin 7.70, Michigan 6.96. Those four states are a 150 electoral-vote swing. The popular margin, for Trump to sweep them, is less than a quarter million out of well over 20 million votes cast.

One thing which causes constant misjudgments about the election outcome is California's obscene 4.27 million vote margin, compared to 2.87 million nationally. One state is 40% more than the national. It is not unfair to say that Clinton won California by 4.3 Million and Trump won the rest of the country by 1.4 million. Given that Trump is running as an incumbent, usually about 1% to 1.5% advantage, the Democrats have some work to do.

All stats https://uselectionatlas.org/