2020 US Election (Part One)

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Well, CA made the transition probably before the Republicans started realizing the stakes. I suspect Texas will take much more active measures in preventing the latent voting power of the Hispanic population from being realized. We're already seeing the start of that with the census shenanigans.
 
Yeah but the census shenanigans effect representation mostly.
They'll need more to happen at the voting booth to stop the tide. President is statewide, not by districts.
 
They'll need more to happen at the voting booth to stop the tide. President is statewide, not by districts.

Yeah but reducing the congressional representation of a state reduces its number of electoral votes.
 
There is still enough at stake in Texas to swing it. If they went to proportional that would be different but as long as they think they have it, they won't.

And I will admit that I could be TOTALLY wrong here. :lol: :lol:
 
Yes, my fantasy is a vanguard seizing control of the state and deporting about twenty million Republicans from the key swing states back to Europe before being ousted by a nonviolent general-strike-type protest movement that draws up a new constitution designed around actual democracy.
They'd just deport them back.
Tying them onto rockets and firing them into the sun would be best.
 
I can hear it now. Send them all back to the ***hole country they came from.
 
I do not believe these militia's to be good faith actors, but the point is i could show you any number of videos or pictures that directly contradict your beliefs but that doesn't matter, the fact's don't matter to you, you have your narrative and you will double down just as you have done so before.

Accusing militia of being neo-Nazis and then accusing them of lying when they contradict your reality is doubling down. What facts and beliefs are contradicted by videos you could show? Do you have video of militia shooting Antifa? Do you have video of militia beating up people? The militia said they were there to defend free speech and provide security and the guy interviewed in the article said they'd show up for BLM protests if asked. But you dont believe their words or actions because they directly contradict your beliefs.
 
Accusing militia of being neo-Nazis and then accusing them of lying when they contradict your reality is doubling down. What facts and beliefs are contradicted by videos you could show? Do you have video of militia shooting Antifa? Do you have video of militia beating up people? The militia said they were there to defend free speech and provide security and the guy interviewed in the article said they'd show up for BLM protests if asked. But you dont believe their words or actions because they directly contradict your beliefs.

The headline of that article is literally
Militia leaders who descended on Charlottesville condemn 'rightwing lunatics'

so, you are claiming the "militia leaders" were lying about the presence of rightwing lunatics?
 
If that's Ra then I'm all on board with it. :P
 
Huītzilōpōchtli or riot.

Hey @Berzerker, nobody missed you completely ignoring every single other logical takedown to focus on the one you could possibly create an argument for. Literally nobody missed that. That said, youu keep on going :goodjob:
 
So tell me, what sorts of cheating are they taking into account?
Nothing that just a few percentage points in the turnout rate can't beat. But again turnout is the ultimate determining factor.
Yes, I remember the 2015 election down here and turnout was what made the incumbent psychopaths lose the election.
 
The Arab spring began in Syria in the Spring of 2011.

1. March - Aug 2011 civil up rising Arab Spring
2. Insurgency against Assad Sept 2011 - April 2012
3. UN Ceasefire and escalation of conflict May 2012 - Dec 2013
4. Rise of the Islamists Jan - Sept 2014
5. US led Intervention Sept 2014 - Sept 2015
6. Russian Intervention Sept 2015 - March 2016
etc.
Once the insurgency continued and the Islamists got started, Syria became a proxy war among a host of nations. Every one of them had their own goals and strategies.

Who coined the term 'Arab Spring'? According to the journalist in my link anti-Syrian countries were arming terrorists and thats what started the war. Syrians didn't flee their country en masse because of Assad, they ran because jihadists were slaughtering people.

How dare you try to break into Berserker's narrative that Obama is responsible for millions of dead! How dare you!

Obama was the most reluctant to get involved with anything until Trump came to power. Obama had the wisdom not to run his mouth or dismantle the State Dept. I'd still take a third term of Obama over this madness.

I didn't say Obama is responsible for millions of dead people, try to be more accurate with my narrative before it becomes yours. Obama was reluctant my arse! Oh noes, they're dragging me into Syria kicking and screaming. That'll be Trump's excuse for regime change in Iran, will you tell us he's not responsible for the resulting death and destruction because he was reluctant?
 
Who coined the term 'Arab Spring'? According to the journalist in my link anti-Syrian countries were arming terrorists and thats what started the war. Syrians didn't flee their country en masse because of Assad, they ran because jihadists were slaughtering people.
Here you go.
The first usage of "Spring" to define an uprising by people towards political progressivism and advancement were "springtime of the peoples" and "spring of nations" (respectively, German Völkerfrühling and French printemps des peuples), used by many as a portmanteau term for the revolutions of 1848 in Europe.

Then, the term "Prague Spring" was used to refer to the period between January 5th to August 21st of 1968, a period of relative political liberalisation in (then) Czechoslovakia, before the Soviets invaded the country and put an end to the reforms, and replaced reformist leader Alexander Dubcek with conservative Gustav Husak.

I have also heard from a trustworthy commentator that "Arab Spring" was used fleetingly to refer to the Arab Revolts of 1916-1918 against the Ottoman Empire, but I have not been able to find any confirmation to this information till this moment.

In 2005, protests, unrest and changes (of significantly variable sizes) seemed to begin to sweep the Arab world, particularly Egypt and Lebanon (some added Syria), with continued ripple effects from the fall of Saddam and the painful moves towards the democratisation of Iraq, the relative liberalisation of media in Egypt as well. Somehow, this period came to be referred to "The Arab Spring", including a such-titled editorial by Le Monde according to Charles Krauthammer (himself writing a piece of the same nature).

Then, on January 6th of 2011, as the protests in Tunisia were gaining even larger mass, and two days after the death of Mohammed Bouazizi in the hospital following his self-immolation, Marc Lynch wrote a post on FP called "Obama's Arab Spring". In it, he says that he:

"...noted the spread of seemingly unrelated protests and clashes through a diverse array of Arab states -- Tunisia, Jordan, Kuwait, Egypt. Last night, protests spread to Algeria, partly in response to rising prices on basic food items but more deeply by the same combination of economic desperation, fury over perceived corruption, and a blocked political order."He then goes on to ask:
"Are we seeing the beginnings of the Obama administration equivalent of the 2005 "Arab Spring", when the protests in Beirut captured popular attention and driven in part by newly powerful satellite television images inspired popular mobilization across the region that some hoped might finally break through the stagnation of Arab autocracy? Will social media play the role of al-Jazeera this time? Will the outcome be any different?" FP goes on to trace the growth of the term henceforth in an interesting piece, and features a quote on January 25th of 2011 by Mohammed El Baradei in Der Spiegel, where he said:
"Perhaps we are currently experiencing the first signs of an "Arab Spring" (e.g. similar to the so-called Prague Spring of political liberalization in Czechoslovakia in 1968). Our neighbors are watching Egypt, which has always played a pioneering role. I hope that my country will be one of the first in which freedom and democracy blossom. We Egyptians should also be able to achieve what the Tunisians have done."


Spoiler Arab spring :

Arab Spring
Spoiler Arab spring :
, wave of pro-democracy protests and uprisings that took place in the Middle Eastand North Africa beginning in 2010 and 2011, challenging some of the region’s entrenched authoritarian regimes. Demonstrators expressing political and economic grievances faced violent crackdowns by their countries’ security forces. For detailed coverage of the Arab Spring in individual countries, see Jasmine Revolution (Tunisia), Egypt Uprising of 2011, Yemen Uprising of 2011–12, Libya Revolt of 2011, and Syria Uprising of 2011–12.

In January and February 2011, protests in Tunisia and Egypt succeeded in a matter of weeks in toppling two regimes thought to be among the region’s most stable. The first demonstrations took place in central Tunisia in December 2010, catalyzed by the self-immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi, a 26-year-old street vendor protesting his treatment by local officials. A protest movement, dubbed the “Jasmine Revolution” in the media, quickly spread through the country. The Tunisian government attempted to end the unrest by using violence against street demonstrations and by offering political and economic concessions. However, protests soon overwhelmed the country’s security forces, compelling Pres. Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali to step down and flee the country in January 2011. In October 2011, Tunisians participated in a free election to choose members of a council tasked with drafting a new constitution. A democratically chosen president and prime minister took office in December 2011.

Massive protests broke out in Egypt in late January 2011, only days after Ben Ali’s ouster in Tunisia. The Egyptian government also tried and failed to control protests by offering concessions while cracking down violently against protesters. After several days of massive demonstrations and clashes between protesters and security forces in Cairo and around the country, a turning point came at the end of the month when the Egyptian army announced that it would refuse to use force against protesters calling for the removal of Pres. Ḥosnī Mubārak. Having lost the support of the military, Mubārak left office on February 11 after nearly 30 years, ceding power to a council of senior military officers.

In the period of the euphoria that followed, the new military administration enjoyed high public approval, since the military had played a decisive role in ending the Mubārak regime. However, optimism was dampened when the new administration appeared hesitant to begin a full transfer of power to an elected government and when military and security forces resumed the use of violence against protesters. Confrontations between protesters and security forces became frequent occurrences. In spite of a multiday outbreak of violence in late November 2011, parliamentary elections proceeded as scheduled and the newly elected People’s Assembly held its inaugural session in late January 2012.

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Encouraged by protesters’ rapid successes in Tunisia and Egypt, protest movements took hold in Yemen, Bahrain, Libya, and Syria in late January, February, and March 2011. In these countries, however, outpourings of popular discontent led to protracted bloody struggles between opposition groups and ruling regimes.

In Yemen, where the first protests appeared in late January 2011, Pres. ʿAlī ʿAbd Allāh Ṣāliḥ’s base of support was damaged when a number of the country’s most powerful tribal and military leaders aligned themselves with the pro-democracy protesters calling for him to step down. When negotiations to remove Ṣāliḥ from power failed, loyalist and opposition fighters clashed in Sanaa. Ṣāliḥ left Yemen in June to receive medical treatment after he was injured in a bomb attack, raising hopes among the opposition that a transition would begin. Ṣāliḥ returned to the country unexpectedly four months later, however, adding to the uncertainty and confusion about Yemen’s political future. In November 2011 Ṣāliḥ signed an internationally mediated agreement calling for a phased transfer of power to the vice president, ʿAbd Rabbuh Manṣūr Hadī. In accordance with the agreement, Hadī took over governing responsibility immediately and formally assumed the presidency after standing as the sole candidate in a presidential election in February 2012.
Bahrain’s marginalized Shīʿite majority. Protests were violently suppressed by Bahraini security forces, aided by a force of about 1,500 soldiers from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates that entered the country in March. By the end of the month, the mass protest movement had been stifled. In the aftermath of the protests, dozens of accused protest leaders were convicted of antigovernment activity and imprisoned, hundreds of Shīʿite workers suspected of supporting the protests were fired, and dozens of Shīʿite mosques were demolished by the government. In November 2011 an independent investigation into the uprising, commissioned by the Bahraini government, concluded that the government had used excessive force and torture against protesters. The government vowed to act on the recommendations for reform included in the report.


In Libya protests against the regime of Muammar al-Qaddafi in mid-February 2011 quickly escalated into an armed revolt. When the rebel forces appeared to be on the verge of defeat in March, an international coalition led by NATO launched a campaign of air strikes targeting Qaddafi’s forces. Although NATO intervention ultimately shifted the military balance in favour of the rebel forces, Qaddafi was able to cling to power in the capital, Tripoli, for several more months. He was forced from power in August 2011 after rebel forces took control of Tripoli. After evading capture for several weeks, Qaddafi was killed in Surt in October 2011 as rebel forces took control of the city.
The challenges of governing Libya in the post-Qaddafi era became apparent soon after the internationally recognized provisional government, known the Transitional National Council(TNC), took power. The TNC struggled to restart the Libyan economy, establish functional institutions of government, and exert control over the many autonomous regional and tribal militias that had participated in the rebellion against Qaddafi.

In Syria protests calling for the resignation of Pres. Bashar al-Assad broke out in southern Syria in mid-March 2011 and spread through the country. The Assad regime responded with a brutal crackdown against protesters, drawing condemnation from international leaders and human rights groups. A leadership council for the Syrian opposition formed in Istanbul in August, and opposition militias began to launch attacks on government forces. In spite of the upheaval, Assad’s hold on power appeared strong, as he was able to retain the support of critical military units composed largely of members of Syria’s ʿAlawite minority, to which Assad also belonged. Meanwhile, divisions in the international community made it unlikely that international military intervention, which had proved decisive in Libya, would be possible in Syria. Russia and China vetoed UN Security Council resolutions meant to pressure the Assad regime in October 2011 and February 2012 and vowed to oppose any measure that would lead to foreign intervention in Syria or Assad’s removal from power. The arrival of a delegation of peace monitors from the Arab League in December 2011 did little to reduce violence. The monitoring mission was suspended several weeks later over concerns for the safety of the monitors.

The effects of the Arab Spring movement were felt elsewhere throughout the Middle East and North Africa as many of the countries in the region experienced at least minor pro-democracy protests. In Algeria, Jordan, Morocco, and Oman, rulers offered a variety of concessions, ranging from the dismissal of unpopular officials to constitutional changes, in order to head off the spread of protest movements in their countries.
 
The headline of that article is literally
Militia leaders who descended on Charlottesville condemn 'rightwing lunatics'

so, you are claiming the "militia leaders" were lying about the presence of rightwing lunatics?

No, I'm claiming the militia weren't neo-Nazis. That headline supports my claim and proves there could have been fine people on both sides without referring to neo-Nazis. The fact Trump condemned the neo-Nazis doesn't get mentioned much in the media because it contradicts their accusation.

Hey @Berzerker, nobody missed you completely ignoring every single other logical takedown to focus on the one you could possibly create an argument for. Literally nobody missed that. That said, youu keep on going :goodjob:

Does that mean you dont have a rebuttal to the one I focused on? Please explain the logic with: fine people on both sides = neo-Nazis - if neo-Nazis were a minority of people one side. And then explain why an explicit condemnation of neo-Nazis means fine people on both sides refers to neo-Nazis.
 
Here you go.

Then, on January 6th of 2011, as the protests in Tunisia were gaining even larger mass, and two days after the death of Mohammed Bouazizi in the hospital following his self-immolation, Marc Lynch wrote a post on FP called "Obama's Arab Spring".

Speaks volumes... An American writing for Foreign Policy called it Obama's Arab Spring... This Arab Spring allowed us to pick and choose which countries to overthrow while arming other countries to kill springtime. No springtime for the Saudis but we'll sell them bombs to drop on neighboring Yemen or arm terrorists in Syria. I dont know how you guys can give Obama a pass while condemning Trump, I'd have buyer's remorse if I voted for either of them but there simply is no contest - Obama's fingerprints are all over the Muslim world.
 
It is interesting that with all of that history in front of you you choose the one sentence that you think blames Obama for it all and ignore all the rest. You really have no objectivity with Obama do you. So I take it now that you think Marc Lynch is an expert on ME affairs and everything he says about it is true?

Here, I will quote the passage from Mr. Lynch's use of the term on Jan 6, 2011:

Obama’s ‘Arab Spring’?

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esterday I noted the spread of seemingly unrelated protests and clashes through a diverse array of Arab states — Tunisia, Jordan, Kuwait, Egypt. Last night, protests spread to Algeria, partly in response to rising prices on basic food items but more deeply by the same combination of economic desperation, fury over perceived corruption, and a blocked political order. There’s some evidence that Algerians have been carefully watching what is happening in Tunisia, on al-Jazeera and on the internet. Are we seeing the beginnings of the Obama administration equivalent of the 2005 "Arab Spring", when the protests in Beirut captured popular attention and driven in part by newly powerful satellite television images inspired popular mobilization across the region that some hoped might finally break through the stagnation of Arab autocracy? Will social media play the role of al-Jazeera this time? Will the outcome be any different?
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I don’t expect these protests to bring down any regimes, but really who knows? It’s an unpredictable moment. Many of these regimes are led by aging, fading leaders such as Hosni Mubarak and Zine el-Abedine Ben Ali who could pass from the scene in a heartbeat — literally. Nor do I particularly know what to recommend that the Obama administration do. The traditional calls to "promote democracy" are largely irrelevant to this situation, except in the longer-term. What we are now seeing is the fruit of the failure to promote meaningful reform in the past, but that doesn’t mean that doing so now would meet the challenge.

If these protests continue to spread, both inside of countries and across to other Arab countries, then we really could talk about this being Obama’s "Arab Spring," only with the extra intensity associated with climate change. Arab regimes will do everything they can to prevent that from happening.


Note his use of a ? in the title and the red text qualifier near the end. Your approach to all this is very shallow and you ignore anything that doesn't fir your view of how things "ought" to be.
 
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I didn't say Obama is responsible for millions of dead people, try to be more accurate with my narrative before it becomes yours. Obama was reluctant my arse! Oh noes, they're dragging me into Syria kicking and screaming. That'll be Trump's excuse for regime change in Iran, will you tell us he's not responsible for the resulting death and destruction because he was reluctant?


Despite you're insinuation here I have not seen any evidence that the US was intentionally destabilizing Syria before the protests. I will hold Trump more responsible than Obama (who was not blameless for the nightmare of Syria just not near as culpable as you make him out to be) because he and his administration have intentionally picked a fight with Iran quite publicly.
 
Here you go.


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Given that the US installed a dictator to end the "egyptian spring", because the latter voted in government an islamic party, it is rather ridiculous to argue that the US cares about the arab spring when it doesn't suit it. Ever wonder why there was no arab spring in Saudi Medievalia? :P
 
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