2020 US Election (Part One)

[Narz]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...y-having-a-good-year-then-andrew-yang-tweeted

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Yeah. Special election chaos, with various people thinking that being "the incumbent" for six months gives them the inside track in November. Unfortunately the only one who has a really good shot is the well known GOP Trumpist hack that got beaten in 2018.

Hill put out some sort of 'it's not over' message but I didn't get a chance to watch it. Do you know what she was on about?

 

[Sommerswerd]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...y-having-a-good-year-then-andrew-yang-tweeted

I don't think shrooms are the hill Yang wants to die on. UBI is much better.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I don't think shrooms are the hill Yang wants to die on. UBI is much better.

I dunno, Mushroom Hill seems like a really magical place....

 

[Sommerswerd]

I dunno, Mushroom Hill seems like a really magical place....

Then you should go play Koopa Kingdom mafia with @Timsup2nothin

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Then you should go play Koopa Kingdom mafia with @Timsup2nothin

So should you.

 

[Takhisis]

The US has done good things? Yes. Have they done evil? Oh yes, too.

That's the unfortunate predictable outcome when you are stuck with doing things. Argentina mostly gets to just sit things out, but the US is pretty much required to pick a side.

Aaaactually, back before Argentina decided to graciously slit its own belly and throat it used to be one of the big regional bullies (along with Brazil, of course). See the ten-year siege of Montevideo* and the genocidal† war against Paraguay. Since then, thanks to Peronism, Argentina has managed to expend its energies in impoverishing itself on its own. Which is not very far from what the Republicans have been doing since Nixon: undo as much of the earlier legislation as possible to allow the rich to prey on the poor, stoke up hatred, perpetrate electoral fraud and justify it with a constructed alternate reality.

Which is one of the reasons why I do not think that the actions of the US government are inherently bad because they are American, however, I still have yet to see the list of Good Actions™ which we owe the US, unless I've missed a post by Commodore in the last 8 pages‡.

Also, if you're mentioning Scotland… we might be greatly ashamed of it, but as part of the British Empire Scotland has been a vital part in many of its evil schemes (e.g. the Jardines were opium-runners in China), and it fell into the UK as a consequence of its own failed attempt to colonise the American continent.

*: I'd recommend switching to the article in Spanish, which is considerably more extensive, if you have a good enough command of the language.
†: in which Argentina and Brazil exterminated 95% of Paraguay's male population and took ~40% of its land surface, with Uruguay's help.
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‡: two hours later I've done a post-by-post check and we're still owed that after some ten days so I suspect that is not coming.

 

[Berzerker]

what happened to the polls?

I just saw national polls from usatoday/suffolk showing Trump over all the Democrats by 3 or more

I thought most of the Dems were ahead of Trump

 

[Timsup2nothin]

what happened to the polls?

I just saw national polls from usatoday/suffolk showing Trump over all the Democrats by 3 or more

I thought most of the Dems were ahead of Trump

LOL..."just happened" to see that, eh? What a strange coincidence that Trump bleeted out a tweet about it and it is being blasted from every horn in the Trumpet section of the BS spewing right wing echo chamber and you "just happened" across it. What a freakin' surprise.

That said, when you ask a poll question in a strange way you get a strange result. The explanation is pretty easy to find, unless of course you are totally satisfied with Dingbat Don's misleading interpretation...which I'm assuming you will be repeating ad nauseum.

Oh, wait, we're already sick of it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Which is one of the reasons why I do not think that the actions of the US government are inherently bad because they are American, however, I still have yet to see the list of Good Actions™ which we owe the US, unless I've missed a post by Commodore in the last 8 pages.

If you're gonna call the man out, at least use the correct summoning spell:

SUMMON @Commodore !!!

 

[Zardnaar]

LOL..."just happened" to see that, eh? What a strange coincidence that Trump bleeted out a tweet about it and it is being blasted from every horn in the Trumpet section of the BS spewing right wing echo chamber and you "just happened" across it. What a freakin' surprise.

That said, when you ask a poll question in a strange way you get a strange result. The explanation is pretty easy to find, unless of course you are totally satisfied with Dingbat Don's misleading interpretation...which I'm assuming you will be repeating ad nauseum.

Oh, wait, we're already sick of it.

Washington Post has reported similar things.
That place is very anti Trump but his numbers are holding up so far.

His numbers as if a week ago his numbers went up in Wisconsin, independents are splitting 50/50, Republicans and Democrats are as per usual.
I think he's still in trouble overall but impeachment isn't doing much so far.

 

[tamyrlin]

General statement, I wish polls would also ask how enthusiastic the person is to vote. Results showing large deviations from polls, as a substantial base of one party fails to turn up as people are not motivated. Having a highly motivated base of around 40% , may be more valuable than higher support but lower enthusiasm. Of course fptp complicates this further .

 

[rah]

My fear is that enthusiasm will be up for the REP, and down for the DEM since that's what doomed them last time.

 

[Estebonrober]

Washington Post has reported similar things.
That place is very anti Trump but his numbers are holding up so far.

His numbers as if a week ago his numbers went up in Wisconsin, independents are splitting 50/50, Republicans and Democrats are as per usual.
I think he's still in trouble overall but impeachment isn't doing much so far.

That 40% is impervious, its not a political movement its a cult.

 

[tamyrlin]

My fear is that enthusiasm will be up for the REP, and down for the DEM since that's what doomed them last time.

Not pursuing impreachment for all the crimes trump does and let him walk all over them, might be worser for democratic enthusiasm . But of course it might galvanize his base further. And finally since Senate will never vote against him, it might dampen enthusiasm. But I would rather democrats go out fighting rather than just stay passive . Opinion as a non-USian

 

[hobbsyoyo]

My fear is that enthusiasm will be up for the REP, and down for the DEM since that's what doomed them last time.

Going to depend on who the Dems nominate more than anything. I think the impeachment will largely be behind us. The right will use it as a rallying cry but I don't think it will have a broad impact on the vote.

 

[Tristan_C]

Not pursuing impreachment for all the crimes trump does and let him walk all over them, might be worser for democratic enthusiasm . But of course it might galvanize his base further. And finally since Senate will never vote against him, it might dampen enthusiasm. But I would rather democrats go out fighting rather than just stay passive . Opinion as a non-USian

I would like to see the charges slow-nuked in senate hearings rather than thrown out via immediate acquittal. GOP always has an uphill battle against media scum, and it will probably be safer to keep things steady in preparation for whatever Barr and Durham have in store for the bureaucrats involved in these projects (they estimate they'll wrap up in the summer).

I would also like illegal immigration back in the news cycle a couple times. I'm disappointed with Trump's performance on the issue. Military appropriations and past legislative initiatives, vetted by Democrat lawmakers and admins, could have been used to do literally anything we needed.

I want to emphasize, as a conservative, that both situations are larger than Trump. The swamp needs to be destroyed, and the border needs to be secured.

 

[tamyrlin]

I would like to see the charges slow-nuked in senate hearings rather than thrown out via immediate acquittal. GOP always has an uphill battle against media scum, and it will probably be safer to keep things steady in preparation for whatever Barr and Durham have in store for the bureaucrats involved in these projects (they estimate they'll wrap up in the summer).

I would also like illegal immigration back in the news cycle a couple times. I'm disappointed with Trump's performance on the issue. Military appropriations and past legislative initiatives, vetted by Democrat lawmakers and admins, could have been used to do literally anything we needed.

I want to emphasize, as a conservative, that both situations are larger than Trump. The swamp needs to be destroyed, and the border needs to be secured.

Quality debates would be good whether in Senate or House . Debates would bring the focus on to the contents of the case rather than a Democratic Vs Republican partisan witch hunts, which is the current narrative.

 

[Broken_Erika]

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I want to emphasize, as a conservative, that both situations are larger than Trump. The swamp needs to be destroyed, and the border needs to be secured.

Boy, have you got the wrong president for both jobs.

 

[Tristan_C]

Quality debates would be good whether in Senate or House . Debates would bring the focus on to the contents of the case rather than a Democratic Vs Republican partisan witch hunts, which is the current narrative.

I mean, I'm always up for quality discourse. I actually like CSPAN. And watching senators and congressmen rumble on in hearings like one of James Watt's early experiments is hilarious.

There is the temptation in the senate to be vindictive, and to tell Schumer he can call as many witnesses as Republicans could in the house. Which was 1, I think. But I wouldn't mind a longer, larger hearing. I wouldn't press that point.

Boy, have you got the wrong president for both jobs.

He's done well overall. I am disappointed about the border (you're still able to get your vote cattle through, after all); he just hasn't been fast and resolute enough. But I'm flabbergasted with how well the fight with the swamp is going. I never would have expected any president to get this far. This is probably the hardest possible task, because your lib media shills for them wall-to-wall. Trump pisses them off so much, they don't even try to hide their bias anymore, and that in itself is progress and a means by which the power of both institutions is eroding.

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