Socrates99
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Its downright depressing that Buttigieg is doing as well as he is. He's awful. At least the other centrists like Klobuchar and Biden are a little more up front with their ideology. Pete's a slimeball.
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Can you elaborate? I really draw a blank when it comes to him.
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Can you elaborate?
Edit: Oh x-post
I would love to know what Warren and Sanders plan on doing when they don't get the votes to push through Medicare for All or all of their other initiatives?
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Hmm...Biden's leading in Iowa and NH... winning both would be big for him leading into SC
the centrists BIden and Buttigieg have 41 and Sanders and Warren are at 33, that aint good for the prog wing of the party
the centrists BIden and Buttigieg have 41 and Sanders and Warren are at 33, that aint good for the prog wing of the party
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I doubt the prog wing represents more than 10% of the electorate nationally.
Probably closer to 5%
Biden and Buttigieg not ideal as far as centrists go and by that ii mean able to beat Trump. Still gaffes don't seem to matter and people like Trump regardless.
Buttigieg is the only one in the top 4 under 60. If they had a charismatic 40 something year old Dems would clean up.
Socrates99
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Buttigieg essentially has the same ideology as Klobuchar and Biden but tries to sell himself as an outsider. He points at the others in the race and claims hes not a Washington insider, just a Midwest mayor who can appeal to Midwest voters. He does this while being the candidate who's funded more by private healthcare than anyone else in the primary.
He claims his wealthy and corporate donors only give him money because they believe in him but it doesn't affect his stance on issues. In the leaked audio from the Southbend police scandal officers can be heard saying "the little twerp (Pete) could be controlled by his donors," meaning even that far back he was corrupted. Early in this election cycle Pete made the case that single payer insurance to private providers wasn't the far left position but actually the compromise. The actual leftwing system would be more like Britain's NHS. Fast forward to today after a healthy contribution from private insurers and hes changed that position. He's easily corrupted.
Then you add in the sleazy tricks his campaign has done to lower his avg donation and fake African American support. After Bernie made that joke about Pete and Biden competing for billionaire support his campaign ran a faux contest for smallest unique donation hoping for enough low numbers to bring his average down. In South Carolina his campaign sent copies his Douglass plan to a number of politicians for endorsements. The email essentially said if there was no response by a set date/time itd consider it endorsed. In other words they had to opt out of endorsement. Then they released a list of endorsements insinuating the people were African American even though some weren't and many of them came out saying they'd never endorsed it or even had a chance to read it.
Tldr Pete's every bit as corrupt as Biden and Klobuchar but lacks even the honesty to be steadfast in who he is. He is the personification of everything that's wrong with Corporate Democrats and Washington in general. I used to say Biden was the worst but then Pete said "hold my beer..."
Lexicus
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Mayo Pete is the worst candidate in the field other than Tulsi Gabbard.
Bloomberg?
I guess it also depends how you are defining "worst"...
I guess it also depends how you are defining "worst"...
For some reason my wife is amped up over Bloomberg. Her reasoning seems to be, if we have to get stuck with an old white guy, best one that isn't a communist, a five year old, or senile. She also falls for that "he's so rich he doesn't need to take special interest money" line. She considers him a moderate.
For the record, I don't think she's ever voted for a Republican. So please don't call her a racist.
For the record, I don't think she's ever voted for a Republican. So please don't call her a racist.
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A lot of people said that about trump. (not realizing he's not as rich as he claims he is)
My wife never considered religion into that. It's telling that you did however. Isn't Bloomberg Jewish? You guys are unbelievable.
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Traitorfish
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Not really. I'm an open admirer of the tradition of Jewish socialism which Sanders represents. Are you or your wife working with that sort of perspective, or are you just reproducing right-wing rhetoric which has been (at this point all but explicitly) informed by anti-Semitic tropes?
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Hey, I've been nice and respectful for many years now and all it has gotten me is nasty insinuations that I am a racist.
I guess I'm just tired of being bullied and have decided to fight back.
You were the one that brought up the religious aspect, so what's your problem?
SO, I should have said socialist. Sue me.
Traitorfish
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I brought it up because I was insinuating that you were reproducing an anti-Semitic dog-whistle. Consciously or not. How would you have preferred I made that point?
For what it's worth, I don't have you, or your wife, pegged as a racist. But singling out a Jewish candidate for denunciation as a "communist" is still a problem, even if you imagine that you arrived at the conclusion by yourself.
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