2020 US Election (Part One)

[Drewcifer]

Starting with smaller states gives lesser figures with good ideas a chance to build momentum before it turns into a national race where cash is king. I am fairly sure that is the thinking behind it, which is why we start with four smaller states, one from each region. If they want a Midwestern state that is a bit more representative of America but is still relatively easy to campaign in, Wisconsin would be better choice, it has a major metro and at least some non-white population.

 

[Kyriakos]

Basileus disapproves.

Just because I am not thirsty, it doesn't mean I cannot show others the way to the drinking-fountain

 

[Gori the Grey]

Ban the Iowa Caucus.

I'm all for rotating the order of states each election.

Iowa should definitely lose the privilege of going first,

Find the three states closest to the nation's demographics and have those three go first, all on one day. So not everything's focused on just one state, and the choice of the three states is probably closer to what the primary voters will pick overall.

I am fairly sure that is the thinking behind it,

I guess there's pretty much no thinking behind it, if you trust Lawrence O'Donnell in MSNBC's coverage last night. It just happened in 1972 and it's been running on tradition and charm since then.

 

[Zardnaar]

Actually demographically speaking, they are not. New Hampshire is not representative of any other state, with maybe the exception of Vermont and Maine.
At least from our polling analysis.
Considering that a close to a majority of democrats reside in those three states one of those would more show what a good percentage of the party is thinking.

It's representative of where the Democrats need to win. Hence bellwether state.

Imagine if California went first.

Election 2024 .

Strong Diverse Candidate (SDC) concedes to president elect Neo Nazi. Neo Nazi campaigned on revoking Roe Vs Wade and barring non white immigration. While disappointed in the result SDC is quoted as "we ran a great campaign and I would like to thank the voters of California, New York, Oregon and Washington". SDC was unavailable for further comment but zhe has been quoted "we'll do better next time".

 

[Takhisis]

Maybe Iowa needs a coup like Bolivia

Hmmm, you've gotten me thinking… Latin America has a recent history of leaders who pretend to hate Donald Trump but actually do whatever he would do if he were in their shoes, taking a pretence of a moral stance against him to gain votes, versus openly sycophantic slavering boys who still go on about ‘END OF HISTORY!’ and party like December 1991. After those two groupings there's a minority who want to do do things moderately right but are usually shut out of the business. Any coincidences with the US and their Republicans-Democrats-Bernie is pure coincidence of course.

Republicans don't care

Oh yes they do. When they don't care they just do nothing, e.g. about weather conditions in Jupiter's moons. You just think that ‘caring’ can only be done positively.

 

[rah]

It's representative of where the Democrats need to win. Hence bellwether state.

New Hampshire is not. And Iowa does not have the major population areas like Pennsylvania, Michigan and even Wisconsin.

 

[Arwon]

New Hampshire and Iowa are both in the top 15 least representative states in the US:

These misconceptions affect our politics: an outdated view of “normal America” is baked into the presidential election process. Iowa and New Hampshire, which vote first in the primary season and therefore have disproportionate influence, rank 37th and 41st, respectively, in their similarity to the U.S. overall. The states that look demographically most similar to America are Illinois and New York, followed by New Jersey, Connecticut and Virginia.

 

[Kyriakos]

So, seems this was rigged after all. At 60% Pete is winning by 30.000 votes (360 to 330)

 

[ThERat]

This is great news to me, cos Buttigieg is not gonna win anything, but he took away a lot of votes from Biden. The longer the establishment candidates Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar and Buttigieg stay in the race, the better for Bernie.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Corruption can be classic, in the American way

 

[innonimatu]

Find the three states closest to the nation's demographics and have those three go first, all on one day. So not everything's focused on just one state, and the choice of the three states is probably closer to what the primary voters will pick overall.

I get the idea that the purpose of having this vote be special is that candidates must show their skill at convincing votes there. It's fit for that purpose.

Having in in a more demographically representative state would still involve an arbitrary choice (who decides which is more representative). The US will always have to contend with the difficulties of trying to do something like democracy work on an empire-sized country.

Corruption can be classic, in the American way

The way in this case would be they amending the announced results in a couple of months. When it no longer matters.

 

[Zardnaar]

Early results according to BBC

Buttigieg
Sanders
Warren
Biden

It's funtionally a draw between Sanders and Buttigieg.

Bidens a wet fart it seems in 14%

 

[Takhisis]

It's funtionally a draw between Sanders and Buttigieg.

With a little over a percentage point between them, 2 tops.

 

[Sommerswerd]

New Hampshire and Iowa are both in the top 15 least representative states in the US:
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I'm fine with going in this order instead. As an aside... I'm sure folks notice something about these states... Anyone wonder if there is any causal relationship going on here?

So, seems this was rigged after all. At 60% Pete is winning by 30.000 votes (360 to 330)

Bernie is actually winning the popular vote, but Bootyjudge is winning the "delegate count" because, reasons.

I've been watching the news coverage and they are noticeably mostly ignoring Bernie in their analysis. There is a ton of talk about how bad this is for Biden versus "its only one state, SC firewall, etc" and how Warren was the second and/or third choice versus how she didn't lead in any counties... and of course the endless fawning over Bootyjudge... but I have to admit that they are not really covering Bernie. Its pretty shameful.

 

[Arwon]

Bernie is actually winning the popular vote, but Bootyjudge is winning the "delegate count" because, reasons.

This just seems to be the mildly proportional effect of "voters" redistributing themselves from Biden to him because Biden did so badly.

 

[Takhisis]

an outdated view of “normal America” is baked into the presidential election process

No kidding. They still have laws and court rulings that prevent Negroes and Injuns from voting. And an electoral college.

 

[Farm Boy]

As an aside... I'm sure folks notice something about these states...

They're chock full of jackasses?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Correct. Especially Illinoisan Farmers and Massachusettsan lawyers

EDIT: As an aside... some Christmas smileys are still working...

 

[Kyriakos]

So it took one day to release 62% of the vote. How many more days for 100%?

Trump should finance the ap for the national elections - sure win, no conflict of interest. And why aren't we at least told for what purpose Butty paid 42.000 dollars to the ap company for the Iowa caucus super ap?

 

[Bugfatty300]

No kidding. They still have laws and court rulings that prevent Negroes and Injuns from voting. And an electoral college.

Iowa needs the delegate system to keep the vast urban metropolis of Des Moines from dominating the entire state.