2020 US Election (Part One)

[Lexicus]

I never said they were poor i said they were the deplorables and they needs were not being looked after by the ruling class who by the way 8 years previously voted for Obama and the democrats overwhelmingly as I'm sure you must know

This sentence is constructed quite ambiguously. Who are you saying previously voted for Obama and the democrats?

I qualify for this group

Well that certainly explains a lot. Millionaires trying to pretend they're an oppressed class have to stick together.

 

[HoloDoc]

I think @Old Hippy is saying he qualifies as working class. Not a millionaire. Unions are pretty different here in Australia. It's hard to tell, as he has a pretty incoherent posting style.

 

[Lexicus]

I think @Old Hippy is saying he qualifies as working class. Not a millionaire. Unions are pretty different here in Australia. It's hard to tell, as he has a pretty incoherent posting style.

Yeah I may or may not have realized that and just rolled with the uncharitable interpretation because the way he constructed his post was so laughably bad. And before anyone gets the wrong idea, it was bad because it did a terrible job of conveying meaning, not because it failed to adhere to Rules.

 

[Old Hippy]

This sentence is constructed quite ambiguously. Who are you saying previously voted for Obama and the democrats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...n,_2008#/media/File:US_Election04-08shift.png
all the deplorables that voted for trump in 2016... click the link and see what a blue tsunami looks like
Electoral vote 365 173

The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. Although the Democrats held fewer than 50 Senate seats, they had an operational majority because the two independent senators caucused with the Democrats for organizational purposes.

I believe Obama and the dems made the changes that the senate just needed a majority instead of 60 votes in the senate
that came back to bite the dems this year... biggly

 

[Old Hippy]

I think @Old Hippy is saying he qualifies as working class. Not a millionaire. Unions are pretty different here in Australia. It's hard to tell, as he has a pretty incoherent posting style.

that's because I'm just plain not educated proper and a native cockney of East London, one born within hearing of Bow Bells
cockney is a spoken dialect not easily written and I think in cockney

sorry for the double post...

 

[HoloDoc]

that's because I'm just plain not educated proper and a native cockney of East London, one born within hearing of Bow Bells
cockney is a spoken dialect not easily written and I think in cockney

sorry for the double post...

And yet I understand every word Michael Caine says...

 

[Old Hippy]

And yet I understand every word Michael Caine says...

have you read his posts... you would understand me most likely. people say Aussie slang is close to cockney

 

[Lexicus]

all the deplorables that voted for trump in 2016

Well you're completely wrong about this.

 

[Old Hippy]

Well you're completely wrong about this.

why?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

click the link and see what a blue tsunami looks like
Electoral vote 365 173

How is that supposed to be relevant in a mid term election year? By the way, in the year of your supposed tsunami the dems picked up less than ten house seats and failed to get control of the house. This year they picked up over thirty and took control. By all appearances you are totally clueless here.

 

[Lexicus]

why?

Because by all indications it wasn't a very large number of people who flipped from Obama 2012 to Trump 2016. Nowhere near "all the deplorables."

 

[Traitorfish]

I agree totally.
He is in the ruling class... he is the president who got voted in by the not ruling class deplorables

Every president gets voted in by the not-ruling class. There aren't enough people in the ruling class to win elections, even on a depressed turnout. That's not even polsci stuff, it's just arithmetic.

 

[Old Hippy]

Because by all indications it wasn't a very large number of people who flipped from Obama 2012 to Trump 2016. Nowhere near "all the deplorables."

The indicators are that it was a sufficient number for the dems winning a landslide OBAMA victory to losing to the unelectable Trump in just 8 years... you should become a pollster you grasp of what happened reflects their predictions in 2016

 

[Old Hippy]

Every president gets voted in by the not-ruling class. There aren't enough people in the ruling class to win elections, even on a depressed turnout. That's not even polsci stuff, it's just arithmetic.

Yes I agree... but the real question is why don't politicians like Clinton understand that... you have to keep us plebs happy with bread and circuses, its just arithmetic but that means picking which numbers you want and where you want them. Trump picked the areas where the circuses had not been since 2008

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The indicators are that it was a sufficient number for the dems winning a landslide OBAMA victory to losing to the unelectable Trump in just 8 years... you should become a pollster you grasp of what happened reflects their predictions in 2016

The difference included some small number of the "flip voters" you are yammering about, but the actual difference that mattered was turnout. Deplorables who thought Romney just wasn't disgusting enough so they stayed home came out and voted for Trump. Extremist Democrats who were convinced Obama would come left, finally, if just given another chance but then stayed home because Clinton wasn't as exciting as Bernie; that's what made the difference in the result.

 

[Traitorfish]

Yes I agree... but the real question is why don't politicians like Clinton understand that... you have to keep us plebs happy with bread and circuses, its just arithmetic but that means picking which numbers you want and where you want them. Trump picked the areas where the circuses had not been since 2008

All politicians understand this. That's the entire business of politics. Some of them just aren't very good at it.

And, I mean, Trump isn't great. He lost the popular vote, by a margin at least as wide as that which he improved upon the last Republican nominee. He actually got a lower share of the overall vote than Romney, and even than Bush in 2000. What he did was successfully appeal to a specific demographic that turned out to have an under-appreciate strategic significance, a significance which was to a great extent the outcome of a depressed turnout among traditionally Democratic constituencies: in Michigan, Trump beat Clinton by less than 11,000 votes, but Clinton lost 194,000 votes compared to Obama. If only one-in-ten of the Obama voters who sat at Clinton had made it to the polls in Michigan, Clinton would have closed 16 out of the 39 electoral votes she needed to win. There's an alternate timeline, not very different than our own, where Trump's campaign scraped just under whatever technicality he needed, rather than just above it, where he's remembered as a grotesque fascist Barnum rather than a herald of some terrible New Age.

 

[Old Hippy]

How is that supposed to be relevant in a mid term election year? By the way, in the year of your supposed tsunami the dems picked up less than ten house seats and failed to get control of the house. This year they picked up over thirty and took control. By all appearances you are totally clueless here.

Its not relevant BUT this is the 2020 Presidential thread not the 2018 mid term thread.... the Dems took control of the house not the senate
Is Ginsberg who needs a pocket constitution to answer questions about the constitution and could not remember where she put it and had to borrow one from the audience going to be around in two years. the Dems won the house. By all appearances you are totally clueless about where Trump held his rallies... they were for senate seats mostly he only needs 50 with the VP or 51,(The nuclear option or constitutional option) to appoint SCJ's or confirm the new permanent Attorney General appointee after this temporary acting 210 day appointment runs its course
I'll also note that OBAMA failed to get get control of the house as you say...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Its not relevant BUT this is the 2020 Presidential thread not the 2018 mid term thread.... the Dems took control of the house not the senate
Is Ginsberg who needs a pocket constitution to answer questions about the constitution and could not remember where she put it and had to borrow one from the audience going to be around in two years. the Dems won the house. By all appearances you are totally clueless about where Trump held his rallies... they were for senate seats mostly he only needs 51,50 with the VP(The nuclear option or constitutional option) to appoint SCJ's or confirm the new permanent Attorney General appointee after this temporary acting 210 day appointment runs its course

The mid term points to the direction the electorate is moving, and it is away from Trump. Maybe somewhere in your toadying to Trump you should try to address that reality rather than spouting nonsense about unrelated events.

 

[Old Hippy]

The mid term points to the direction the electorate is moving, and it is away from Trump. Maybe somewhere in your toadying to Trump you should try to address that reality rather than spouting nonsense about unrelated events.

Maybe you should be preparing for a second Trump victory ... as you say the mid terms show the way the electorate is moving Yet Obama won a second term
Don't do a Hillary and count your chickens before they hatch she was the most qualified politician ever to run for President... some people say

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Maybe you should be preparing for a second Trump victory ... as you say the mid terms show the way the electorate is moving Yet Obama won a second term

Since you have demonstrated that you are completely clueless in regards to how the results of the 2018 midterm relate to the movement of the electorate, it seems likely that you have even less understanding of the 2010 election. Therefore I'm guessing that your "prepare for Trump to win again" is the nominally adult equivalent of "neener neener neener" and find it pretty easy to be dismissive.