2020 US Election (Part One)

[HoloDoc]

Great for you.
Did you have a volunteer fire brigade, a volunteer st Johns ambulance because on a busy day there is no one left to make sandwiches for the state emergency services volunteers that came to town to fight the forest fires or staff the emergency evacuation points... if manufacturing comes back a dozen jobs at the local engineering firm servicing farm machinery could add two dozen adults to the town economy that could also mean the town has enough players to maintain a football team or keep the local school open
49 people is still a small town I don.t think many people would move out because of overcrowding... even you friend with benefits...

Obviously not, because it was a town of 25 people, you ****. Such small towns usually act as spokes in a wheel orbiting a larger town, in this case Coonabarrabran. I was offered a spot on the fire brigade, but turned it down because I had no intention of staying for long. It had four people, so I would have made one-fifth of the town into firefighters.

Manufacturing towns don't have 25 people, or 49. Manufacturing towns have hundreds, of more likely thousands, of people, and Trump's policies are not going to bring those jobs back.

Also, you aren't really making much sense overall. I never said anything about overcrowding, although it could actually have been a problem, given there were no empty houses.

 

[Old Hippy]

Obviously not, because it was a town of 25 people, you ****. Such small towns usually act as spokes in a wheel orbiting a larger town, in this case Coonabarrabran. I was offered a spot on the fire brigade, but turned it down because I had no intention of staying for long. It had four people, so I would have made one-fifth of the town into firefighters.

Manufacturing towns don't have 25 people, or 49. Manufacturing towns have hundreds, of more likely thousands, of people, and Trump's policies are not going to bring those jobs back.

small towns acting as spokes also act as places that have sheds with local manufacturing firms servicing the local farm community and would make a perfect place for someone wanting to live in a small town as you previously told us some people wanted to do. They also have vacancies on their fire brigade as you pointed out
me personally being the **** that I am would not go any where near such isolation to live I like the big city
Heck, I Cannot stand the suburbs even, living 5 miles from the CBD. But I don't think my personal preferences should have anything to do with how regional people should live Just glade you not our benevolent dictator deciding how and where people should live....

 

[HoloDoc]

small towns acting as spokes also act as places that have sheds with local manufacturing firms servicing the local farm community and would make a perfect place for someone wanting to live in a small town as you previously told us some people wanted to do. They also have vacancies on their fire brigade as you pointed out
me personally being the **** that I am would not go any where near such isolation to live I like the big city
Heck, I Cannot stand the suburbs even, living 5 miles from the CBD. But I don't think my personal preferences should have anything to do with how regional people should live Just glade you not our benevolent dictator deciding how and where people should live....

Could you please try to be coherent?

I grew up in a small town, and lived in an even smaller one. At one point, I was even homeless in a small town, which is so much fun. I guarantee I know more about this subject than you. Small towns operating as spokes usually act more like suburbs to a major city, actually; a few local industries, but most of the big jobs are handled in the nearby biggish town. So you only really need jobs in that one biggish town, and no one has said otherwise.

Yass, for example, has a great many jobs, whereas small towns surrounding it, such as Bookham, have no jobs except local farmers and maybe a general store. Said general store is usually only open a few hours a day, and is essentially a combination supermarket/post office/feed store/petrol station/takeaway. I ran one for a while, as I was sleeping with the owner's granddaughter. It's not much of a job, and it doesn't pay anything at all; they're always family businesses.

I have also never said anything about where people should live. I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me, are just kind of stupid, are nventing a strawman, or posting drunk.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Perhaps a poll is in order?

 

[HoloDoc]

Perhaps a poll is in order?

Two years out? Why not? I'm sure many of us would have guessed Obama in 2006...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh. Yeah, we could have a poll about that too I guess.

 

[HoloDoc]

Oh. Yeah, we could have a poll about that too I guess.

What did you want a poll about? What @Old Hippy was on about? Can't believe I didn't catch that...

 

[Old Hippy]

Could you please try to be coherent?

OK lets...
we have established that i am a **** and i support giving jobs to small towns
now lets establish why giving jobs to small towns is such a bad idea....
its your turn to be coherent....

So you only really need jobs in that one biggish town, and no one has said otherwise.

neither have I
I have said its good to get jobs in rural communities
whether that is in the main regional centre or the small outlying hamlet, say with a pop of 419 like the regional Victorian town of Pyramid Hill

I have also never said anything about where people should live. I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me, are just kind of stupid, are inventing a strawman, or posting drunk.

But you have said people who move to small towns do it because they want too not because of employment opportunities... all them rich people that don't need an income probably
Yet many regional towns have offered free housing or ($1.00 a week rent to attract new residents over the last few years ) and a job in the hope of attracting people with young families so the local school maintains numbers and can stay open. This is most commonly aimed at refugee communities who come from rural backgrounds like the regional Victorian town of Pyramid Hill (pop 419)

The Regional Australia Institute wants another 3,000 permanent migrants to come tl (rural towns every year to counteract population decline.

you say you know more than me about regional towns maybe you can explain why you know more than the Regional Australia Institute
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/regional-lobby-s-plan-to-bring-permanent-migrants-to-labour-starved-bush

02:18 / 02:18
Filipino woman Marilyn Fernandez says her job on a pig farm in the regional Victorian town of Pyramid Hill has been an ‘overwhelming’ opportunity

if your not just trolling or are just kind of stupid....
explain to me why both the town of Pyramid Hill (pop.419)and Marilyn Fernandez, the local school with her 6 children boosting enrollment are NOT better of for encouraging employment in regional towns

 

[metalhead]

Don't they have to let the refugees out of the concentration camps first?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

OK lets...
we have established that i am a **** and i support giving jobs to small towns
now lets establish why giving jobs to small towns is such a bad idea....
its your turn to be coherent....

At risk of being called a free market conservative I have to ask...how exactly do you think this "giving jobs" process is supposed to work? If there's a market, there will be jobs. That's just how it works. The whole "put up a shed and fix local farm equipment" thing you mentioned earlier is generally absurd in the situation described. There is a big town some short distance away. There's a shop there, almost unquestionably, that provides that service to not only this community but other small communities in the region. That's how said shop gets enough cumulative business to survive.

I don't think anyone would say "small towns shouldn't have jobs." What I'm taking exception to is this idea that the only thing keeping them from having jobs is that oppression by @HoloDoc is preventing the jobs fairy from waving her magic wand. My experience of small towns is much like his...there's the local market/gas station/place with a bulletin board, usually staffed by a family member and sometimes by someone banging a family member, and that's it because that's all that is needed.

 

[HoloDoc]

OK lets...
we have established that i am a **** and i support giving jobs to small towns
now lets establish why giving jobs to small towns is such a bad idea....
its your turn to be coherent....

Why would we establish that giving jobs to small towns is a bad idea? Where has anyone said that? What the hell are you talking about?

neither have I
I have said its good to get jobs in rural communities
whether that is in the main regional centre or the small outlying hamlet, say with a pop of 419 like the regional Victorian town of Pyramid Hill

And? Is anyone running for election on a platform of: "Let's keep jobs away from rural areas. Screw farmers!"

But

you have said people who move to small towns do it because they want too not because of employment opportunities... all them rich people that don't need an income probably

No knew loves to a town with less than 100 people for employment opportunities. Except in very rare circumstances, such as being the only doctor in town or something, such as in Northern Exposure. Even then, it is usually a local who fills that position.

Yet

many regional towns have offered free housing or ($1.00 a week rent to attract new residents over the last few years ) and a job in the hope of attracting people with young families so the local school maintains numbers and can stay open this is most commonly aimed at refugee communities who come from rural backgrounds like the regional Victorian town of Pyramid Hill (pop 419) you say you know more than me about regional towns maybe you can explain why you know more than the Regional Australia Institute
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/regional-lobby-s-plan-to-bring-permanent-migrants-to-labour-starved-bush
if your not just trolling or are just kind of stupid....
explain to me why both the town of Pyramid Hill (pop.419)and Marilyn Fernandez the local school with her 6 children boosting enrollment are NOT better of for encouraging employment in regional towns

What exactly do you think I'm arguing? I have literally no idea WTH you are talking about. You're arguing against points NO ONE has made.

It's no secret that some rural towns, particularly ones with manufacturing backgrounds, are suffering. So? Did anyone argue otherwise? Those towns don't have population under 100 people.

Honestly, unless you start making some damn sense, I'm done with you. Your posts are incoherent on an almost r16 level. And he at least has a certain quaint charm.

 

[HoloDoc]

Don't they have to let the refugees out of the concentration camps first?

Our Govt is actually trying to pass legislation to force asylum seekers to move to rural areas to shore up the population there. Never mind the fact that the reason those rural areas are depopulating is due to a lack of jobs and services, meaning that they can't support a larger population to begin with. The town I once lived in, population 25, had seven houses. Six were occupied, and the last was only empty because the owners were on a caravan holiday around Australia. In order to increase the population you would need to parcel the land and build new houses. Given just a dozen more houses and you would tax the local resources to the limit; small towns tend to be small for a reason.

Had my relationship with my mango-farming lover continued, we would have had to either live with her grandparents until they died - they're still alive, and this was 11 years ago - which, given my sexual proclivities, would have been awkward at best, moved to a nearby town - she is my only ex I maintain contact with, so I know she eventually did this on her own - and hopefully found jobs there, of built a new house for ourselves on her grandmother's land, which would have been difficult, seeing how it was covered in mangoes. This was another issue, given I hate mangoes.

So you release the refugees from their gulags, send them to these small towns, and they promptly, what, starve? My Govt is a bunch of racists, cowards, and fools. And those are their more positive qualities.

 

[metalhead]

While we're off on this tangent, it strikes me as a major failure of society that Amazon HQ2 ended up in 2 places who don't need it and will possibly be harmed by it. They gave massive tax breaks in exchange for additional stress on infrastructure, additional traffic, and in places that are already struggling to have functioning mass transit systems.

Why not locate in, say, Youngstown and Erie? Or Flint? Toledo? Somewhere that has the infrastructure and educational resources nearby to provide the work force you want, but also the space and relatively unstressed infrastructure to avoid the headaches?

Amazon could have revitalized a region with this project. It's really sad to me that this wasn't used to actually do some good.

 

[stinkubus]

This is hilarious because it shows such an utter ignorance of what is actually destroying these towns. Creating just a dozen jobs isn't going to save any of them.

+1. I live in a small "city" in rural Pennsylvania, and there are more than a dozen empty houses within 3 block radius of me. The population of the county in which I reside has declined by over 20% since 1970. Adding a dozen jobs would be like trying to put out a four alarm fire with a thimble-full of water.

The rural areas of the United States are absolutely doomed. The population demos skew old and once those people die off no one is going to replace them as their children and grandchildren have, by and large, already moved away. In the next 15-20 years I fully expect to see mass migration to the cities and suburbs, coming from the rural areas, as small municipalities watch their tax bases vanish seemingly out of no where.

 

[HoloDoc]

+1. I live in a small "city" in rural Pennsylvania, and there are more than a dozen empty houses within 3 block radius of me. The population of the county in which I reside has declined by over 20% since 1970. Adding a dozen jobs would be like trying to put out a four alarm fire with a thimble-full of water.

The rural areas of the United States are absolutely doomed. The population demos skew old and once those people die off no one is going to replace them as their children and grandchildren have, by and large, already moved away. In the next 15-20 years I fully expect to see mass migration to the cities and suburbs, coming from the rural areas, as small municipalities watch their tax bases vanish seemingly out of no where.

But, but, can't you just, like, join a fire brigade..?

I know more about small towns in Australia than you damn Americans, but it is my understanding that the death of the American small town is for similar reasons; long-term economic and demographic trends. You can't just magically reverse that, at least not on a large scale. Individual towns can pull it off, sometimes by accident - Goulburn is booming in Australia right now because Canberra's zoning laws make it cheaper for Canberrans to build homes in Goulburn and commute, including something like one-tenth of the Federal bureaucracy - but you can't fix the overall demographic trends.

 

[Lexicus]

While we're off on this tangent, it strikes me as a major failure of society that Amazon HQ2 ended up in 2 places who don't need it and will possibly be harmed by it. They gave massive tax breaks in exchange for additional stress on infrastructure, additional traffic, and in places that are already struggling to have functioning mass transit systems.

I am scared that I'll be driven out of my house by increasing rent.

 

[rah]

I do find it humorous that people think Amazon had any real concern about helping people. It was all about helping AMAZON. Billions of dollars in offerings.

 

[HoloDoc]

I do find it humorous that people think Amazon had any real concern about helping people. It was all about helping AMAZON. Billions of dollars in offerings.

Yeah, Bezos originally wanted to name the company Relentless. He was talked out of it, but the domain name still redirects to Amazon 24 years later. He's far from the worst billionaire out there, but he isn't exactly using that $136 billion to help anyone e cent himself either.

 

[metalhead]

I do find it humorous that people think Amazon had any real concern about helping people. It was all about helping AMAZON. Billions of dollars in offerings.

I don't think anyone is under that delusion.

It should be illegal for localities and states to offer tax breaks to companies. The federal government should be managing the placement of corporate structures to where it can do the most good, and cause the least harm.

Of course Amazon would never do such a thing on its own. That's why it's a societal failure, not a failure of the people running Amazon. This system is truly and completely broken.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't think anyone is under that delusion.

I think a lot of people seem to be under that delusion actually. Probably no one posting in this thread though.