2020 US Election (Part One)

[rah]

Actually I think some of us appreciate that. (I know I do). It saves me searching elsewhere to see what they're saying. It's really quite simple to know the bias of the post based on the avatar. Be honest, you'd be somewhat bored without it.

 

[onejayhawk]

I went to Politico and the headline was only the second part of what you quote.

You're right. It has been changed. For the record, that was copied and pasted from Politico's website.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You're right. It has been changed. For the record, that was copied and pasted from Politico's website.

J

Based on your longstanding and demonstrable commitment to the truth, as defined by Donald Trump, there doesn't appear to be anything more to say on this then.

 

[onejayhawk]

Based on your longstanding and demonstrable commitment to the truth, as defined by Donald Trump, there doesn't appear to be anything more to say on this then.

You still have not answered the question posed. Would another Obama (without the racial issue) be a good thing?

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You still have not answered the question posed. Would another Obama (without the racial baggage) be a good thing?

J

That question was posed? I saw the question as "here's a bald faced lie about a headline, is that a good thing? Now it appears the question is different, but based on yet another lie (that Beto O'Roarke is "another Obama," which effectively denigrates them both by reduction) and throws in some random "racial baggage" reference that right wing shills can't generally be trusted with when they try to use it.

 

[rah]

I'm wondering what the racial baggage has to do with this. The man once twice. Even if he was white, he couldn't have won three times.
And some would say Beto has other baggage.

 

[Archon_Wing]

I guess we should only elect white people, since they don't have baggage apparently and it will lead to peace and harmony?

Ya all know what MAGA really means.... I mean the birther thing was a Trump concoction. What would Trump be like without racial baggage I wonder? Oh wait, he wouldn't be elected.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

"The racial baggage is his fault! He's the one who's black!"

GOP talking point

 

[Gori the Grey]

On the whole, I don't think Obama's race was "baggage" for him. Part of the excitement he generated in his campaign was precisely the excitement of giving Americans the opportunity to vote for a person of color.

On the whole, I think being a person of color is not "baggage" for a Democratic candidate.

O'Rourke's liability is that of being a recent loser, pace JR.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

On the whole, I don't think Obama's race was "baggage" for him. Part of the excitement he generated in his campaign was precisely the excitement of giving Americans the opportunity to vote for a person of color.

On the whole, I think being a person of color is not "baggage" for a Democratic candidate.

O'Rourke's liability is that of being a recent loser, pace JR.

He lost, but he seems to have done pretty well at refuting the labeling as a loser. I still think 2020 is too early for him to be trying a presidential run. I think Cornyn is vulnerable and he should just continue running for the Senate.

 

[Birdjaguar]

There's a Politico article out this morning. In this case, the title is the point:

‘He’s Barack Obama, but white’: Beto O’Rourke blows up the 2020 Democratic primary

Is that a good thing?

J

I fixed that for you. And yes it is a good thing.

EDIT: I fixed the US version for you. I still think that in either case (US or EU) it is a good thing. Bring youthful enthusiasm to US elections is a good thing. And if that comes in a leftist package, so much the better. I'd support Beto in 2020

 

[El_Machinae]

It's why you still have to use the principle of charity, look for ways someone might be correct, rather than incorrect, even when you don't agree with them.

https://www.politico.eu/article/hes...urke-blows-up-the-us-2020-democratic-primary/

The EU version contains the headline that OJH said existed.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay, my bad. I was lead to leap to a conclusion based on the previous repeated behavior of @onejayhawk when clearly he could have been given the benefit of a doubt that there is no reason to believe he actually deserves.

 

[Bamspeedy]

And they never changed their tweet.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1064463318105108481

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I like the response "'He's Bobby Kennedy, but alive' would be better."

 

[onejayhawk]

It's why you still have to use the principle of charity, look for ways someone might be correct, rather than incorrect, even when you don't agree with them.

https://www.politico.eu/article/hes...urke-blows-up-the-us-2020-democratic-primary/

The EU version contains the headline that OJH said existed.

That makes sense because clicked on a link to get to the article.

To those that object to the term baggage, read it as shorthand for racially charged distraction. It was not intended to imply a hindrance but I did not have another term that suited. I'll just change it to say issue.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That makes sense because clicked on a link to get to the article.

To those that object to the term baggage, read it as shorthand for racially charged distraction. It was not intended to imply a hindrance but I did not have another term that suited. I'll just change it to say issue.

J

The objection isn't to the term 'baggage,' it's the placement of the baggage, or issue if you prefer. It isn't Obama that has an issue. It's the racists who found it offensive to see a black man in a white house. Go ask them your question. You'll be welcomed there.

 

[brennan]

https://www.politico.eu/article/hes...urke-blows-up-the-us-2020-democratic-primary/

Perhaps it's because i'm a limey, but it strikes me as weird that the article tells me precisely nothing about why people are interested in him apart from the fact that he raised a lot of money. What is his policy platform? What is his voting record like?

 

[Estebonrober]

Beto is over rated and not experienced enough. Of course I did say the very same things about obama so what do I know.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Perhaps it's because i'm a limey, but it strikes me as weird that the article tells me precisely nothing about why people are interested in him apart from the fact that he raised a lot of money. What is his policy platform? What is his voting record like?

He's a good orator.