Zkribbler
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Strange...because the only place she made the claim was in the Harvard faculty directory. If she truly wanted to appear less "NE waspish," maybe she should have mentioned she was born and raised on Oklahoma.
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Strange...because the only place she made the claim was in the Harvard faculty directory. If she truly wanted to appear less "NE waspish," maybe she should have mentioned she was born and raised on Oklahoma.
Avoiding the Vietnam draft is good, literally everything else surrounding that context is bad.
1.) Trump has criticized everyone in the world except Russia and Putin. Hmmm. Really makes ya think.
2.) Helsinki.
1.) Trump has criticized everyone in the world except Russia and Putin. Hmmm. Really makes ya think.
2.) Helsinki.
Zkribbler
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Dodging the draft was illegal. Lots of young men went to jail, not thinking to bring in a Trumped-up doctor's note.
Well, since you apparently don't feel inclined to partake in the circuitous dance i have so cordially invited you to, let's make it more simple:
Given her conduct, had Ms. Warren been subject to the draft, do you think she'd have dodged it?
If so, do you think her excuse would have been better than Trump's?
Also:
Do you plan on calling me "plain stupid" or a "worthless troll"?
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He was doing it to let others take the fall. He wasn't a Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali making a political statement in favour of international pacifism.
Add to it the underreported convos during the 2018 G20 summit.cardgame said:
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Berzerker
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And you think he was morally obliged to kill Vietnamese people?
Was dodging the draft unethical?
Now go celebrate the new year, get drunk on cider and eat homemade pan-fried chicken as I've just done.
Berzerker
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I imagine Trump avoided the war because he didn't want to kill or be killed, I dont see why he was morally obliged to attend. I thought it was only gung ho right wing flag wavers who looked down on draft dodgers.
Zkribbler
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If you wish to have a conversation re ethical duties when faced with an immoral law, you should start another. thread. That's too interesting to discuss here.
Are you kidding? I came near to having to make that decision for myself. and I had no idea what I was going to do.
I was also in the draft at that time and faced the same kind of decision the Trump faced. What would I do if I was drafted? I was certainly against the war. I was lucky and drew a high draft lottery number and the question was avoided. I cannot speak for Ms. Warren and what she might have done back then. It was quite a different world than what we have today. Trump was not alone in lying to avoid going to war and I think it is likely that he had little say in the matter. His father probably set it up and told him that he had done so. All Trump had to do was present his false claim the the draft board. IIRC George Bush got set up in the Air national Guard or something to avoid Vietnam. It was a terrible war and few wanted to go. As I see it Trump took advantage of his privilege to escape and now when he has the power to allow those seeking refuge from equally terrible situations in Central America to come to the US, he gets all righteous and legal and punishes whole families needlessly for votes. His whole birther thing was just the same. Laws don't apply to him, and he gets to arbitrate the fate of others. He is a bad person.
That's not the point.
We hold a presumption - on which we implicitly agree, i suppose - that Trump had whatever views about the war including, crucially, that he was too good for it.
Now i am wondering what Warren's views were. I don't know, actually.
We understand though that she did lie, not to save her skin from war and death but for moderately better advancement or more likely not even that but mere vanity.
So i don't find the question whether she would have lied for more substancial stakes frivoulous at all.
I still like her, on many counts. But this whole thing, from the original contention to her insistence against all good strategy to try to bring evidence into the mix... it just... well, vain. And odd.
Well, that he is.
Keep in mind that in 1968 women's role in the military were far more limited than they are today. Front line nurses were about as close to combat as they got. The risks they faced were far less.
From Wiki:
From her bio, it appears that she was a pretty normal wife in 1968. Nothing radical about her. She followed he husband around from job to job. taught disabled kids. I suspect her job then would have gotten her a deferment.
Zkribbler
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Wha?? Warren is a war monger; Biden is demented. Where are you getting your information?
Zkribbler
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Consider me cracked shellac, repeating myself.
Kudos, again, you're getting screwed here unfairly.
The "t" makes intuitive sense, cause grammar, but it's wrong because of the "screw you" approach of language.
It's a "strong" verb. By which we mean irregular.
Actually i'm not sure. I think it may be because Praeteritum (simple past). Actually yeah... i'm confused.
The point about language being all fecal to humans still applies though.
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Y'all are totally missing the point. Whether Trump was right to dodge the draft or not is immaterial.
What matters is that he has lied about how he stayed out of the draft, and intimated if not flat out said he would have bravely gone and served if called. He claimed he got a high draft number. That is a lie. A lie he has told to cover up his past, which he likely believes shows evidence that he is a coward, who talks tough about the military but was not willing to serve if called.
What matters is that he has lied about how he stayed out of the draft, and intimated if not flat out said he would have bravely gone and served if called. He claimed he got a high draft number. That is a lie. A lie he has told to cover up his past, which he likely believes shows evidence that he is a coward, who talks tough about the military but was not willing to serve if called.
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And he inhaled.
The relevant point is that Trump will not be running against Sen Warren in the primaries.
J
The relevant point is that Trump will not be running against Sen Warren in the primaries.
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