2020 US Election (Part One)

[onejayhawk]

Leftists do a better job calling out their own then republicans these days. . . You just have to look to actual left leaning sites as opposed to centrist sites.
https://theintercept.com/
https://www.thenation.com/
https://www.motherjones.com/
And stay away from centrist sites like CNN.

CNN qualifies as left-leaning. The others are left to left-fringe.

Her Emails! Uranium One! BAAANNG-HAAAAZIIIIIII!!!!!

In Kyd's The Spanish Tragedy Hieronimo is often admonished to stop ranting. The problem was that Hieronimo was right.

J

 

[sophie]

CNN qualifies as left-leaning. The others are left to left-fringe.

I wouldn't even consider it moderate-left in absolute terms. It's straight moderate-right. No source that characterizes AOC's rather benign policies as "radical" should ever rightly be applied the appellation of "leftist" or "left-wing".

 

[Gori the Grey]

I see Tulsi Gabbard has thrown her hat in the ring.

She'd be infinitely better than the present occupant of the White House, so I will happily support her if she emerges as the Democratic nominee, and the choice effectively comes down, as it will that point, to supporting that candidate or four more years of Trump.

and Julian Castro from the Obama adm is in too.

He'd be infinitely better than the present occupant of the White House, so I will happily support him if he emerges as the Democratic nominee, and the choice effectively comes down, as it will at that point, to supporting that candidate or four more years of Trump.

 

[Phrossack]

True

I see Tulsi Gabbard has thrown her hat in the ring. She's Hindu and apparently not a fan of Islam. She also has an independent streak.

and Julian Castro from the Obama adm is in too.

The "not a fan of Islam" thing, as far as I can tell in following her, is unfounded.

She's pretty independent, going so far as to refuse to nominate Clinton at the DNC even when her (technical) running mate Sanders asked his delegates to.

At the same time, I recall an incident when she was giving a speech before Sanders at a rally I attended in 2016. She said that Clinton had taken donations from Goldman-Sachs, and the audience booed. One guy shouted, "She's a whore!"

Gabbard stopped, turned to him, and said, "That's not called for," before moving on.

 

[Traitorfish]

The irony was intentional, I was calling attention to how 'whataboutism' is a hypocritical argument because you guys never call your own side on it. Just like you did there. And I've never defended the GOP based on what the Democrats did, my argument has always been they're both wrong and they have no business casting stones. But y'all cast stones anyway even though your own side is guilty too.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-outrageous-assault-on-the-knights-of-columbus/

Eh, the Knights of Columbus are a bunch of weirdos. They're really just the bead-rattling version of Orangemen, a creepy semi-secret society with vaguely religious principles that, in practice, boil down to petty bigotry. People who dress like this or like this should be persecuted on general principles, regardless of their religious affiliation.

 

[Phrossack]

Eh, the Knights of Columbus are a bunch of weirdos. They're really just the bead-rattling version of Orangemen, a creepy semi-secret society with vaguely religious principles that, in practice, boil down to petty bigotry. People who dress like this or like this should be persecuted on general principles, regardless of their religious affiliation.

My dad was a member--not sure if he still is. He's moderately liberal.

He didn't shoot up any bookstores or funerals, but he did have a ceremonial sword...

 

[Traitorfish]

My dad was a member--not sure if he still is. He's moderately liberal.

Well, the current Supreme Columbo (I assume is the title, I don't care to check) is a reactionary weirdo who served in the Reagan administration, and wrote of the AIDs epidemic "failure to make moral judgments on this behavior is why we have this epidemic". Bluntly, he's the kind of Catholic that makes you remember why the Spanish Republicans shot priests. I don't imagine that everyone in the organisation shares his views (honestly, my assumption is that it's mostly a networking thing, like the Orange Order or the Freemasons), but it kinda sets the tone.

 

[Phrossack]

Well, the current Supreme Columbo (I assume is the title, I don't care to check) is a reactionary weirdo who served in the Reagan administration, and wrote of the AIDs epidemic "failure to make moral judgments on this behavior is why we have this epidemic". Bluntly, he's the kind of Catholic that makes you remember why the Spanish Republicans shot priests. I don't imagine that everyone in the organisation shares his views (honestly, my assumption is that it's mostly a networking thing, like the Orange Order or the Freemasons), but it kinda sets the tone.

He hasn't talked about them since I was young, and switched parishes because the priests told the congregation to vote Republican. So as far as I can tell it was just for the networking.

 

[Estebonrober]

CNN qualifies as left-leaning. The others are left to left-fringe.




J

Lol to me it feels like this is a great example of the Overton window thing. You visualizing CNN as anything other then generic pro Americana centrist is crazy to me. I mean it’s not straight Republican propaganda but it consistently lets Republican propaganda pass as legitimate.

Anyways. You are simply horribly wrong. And you should feel bad about it.

 

[Lexicus]

CNN is capitalist media to a T. Its bias is making money.

 

[onejayhawk]

Lol to me it feels like this is a great example of the Overton window thing. You visualizing CNN as anything other then generic pro Americana centrist is crazy to me. I mean it’s not straight Republican propaganda but it consistently lets Republican propaganda pass as legitimate.

I never read The Overton Window.

CNN is all anti-Trump, all the time, so hardly Republican propaganda. Not even Fox does that. CNN is closer to being a Democratic party stooge than Republican. Anyways. You are simply horribly wrong and I will refrain from saying further.

CNN is capitalist media to a T. Its bias is making money.

This too.

Capitalism is not right of center, but some posters seem to think that it is.

J

 

[Lexicus]

Capitalism is not right of center, but some posters seem to think that it is.

J

Capitalism as a mode of production simply is. Capitalism as an ideology, and capitalists as in the adherents of that ideology, are right of center more or less by definition.

 

[Estebonrober]

I never read The Overton Window.

CNN is all anti-Trump, all the time, so hardly Republican propaganda. Not even Fox does that. CNN is closer to being a Democratic party stooge than Republican. Anyways. You are simply horribly wrong and I will refrain from saying further.


This too.

Capitalism is not right of center, but some posters seem to think that it is.

J

Hyperbole aside. Capitalism isn’t the center? Since when? Whose promoting anything other than capitalism or capitalism light? Can you point me at anything running right now in the globe that isn’t basically just capitalism with a lot of regulation to spread the proceeds around?

Trump and the current incarnation of the Republican Party deserve disdain from all centrists of any stripe.

Fox is a propaganda machine. You are wrong again!

 

[Lexicus]

Whose promoting anything other than capitalism or capitalism light?

Me

 

[onejayhawk]

Hyperbole aside. Capitalism isn’t the center? Since when? Whose promoting anything other than capitalism or capitalism light? Can you point me at anything running right now in the globe that isn’t basically just capitalism with a lot of regulation to spread the proceeds around?

Trump and the current incarnation of the Republican Party deserve disdain from all centrists of any stripe.

Fox is a propaganda machine.

Now you are agreeing with me and don't realize it. Capitalism spans all be the extreme left of the spectrum. I understand your opinion of Donald J Trump, but please recognize that it is your opinion and not holy writ. Centrists tend to have mixed reactions to Trump. Your opinion about Fox is also noted.

Me

Case in point.

J

 

[Zkribbler]

Capitalism spans all be the extreme left of the spectrum.

If that were the case, leftists like communists & socialists would embrace it.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

gabbard and castro are bad so i guess props on adding two more bad candidates to the ring

 

[Phrossack]

gabbard and castro are bad so i guess props on adding two more bad candidates to the ring

I don't know Castro, but what's bad about Gabbard? I know there's an ongoing campaign to accuse her of Islamophobia and homophobia without substance, but what policies make her "bad"?

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

She really only started dropping some of her Hindu nationalist ties once the criticism became too severe, and even then she's mostly being quiet as opposed to speaking out against the Islamaphobic positions the many of the groups entertain. Between that and her support of Assad and other dictators, financial ties to Modi, her history last decade of supporting gay conversion therapy (she has since apologized and changed her stance but it ain't a good look), and more, there's just literally no way she could court the more progressive wing that she maybe once could have, and outside of that, she has almost no base. I personally would never cast a vote for her in any context.

And there's just so many little things. She was open to a Trump cabinet position, she was one of just a few who refused to condemn the appointment of Steve Bannon, etc., etc. I think she genuinely has a significant streak of Islamaphobia/Hindu nationalism and views any means necessary as applicable, including throwing in with right wing types or dictators, if it means promoting her ties or being vaguely anti-so-called-islamic-state or something.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't know Castro, but what's bad about Gabbard? I know there's an ongoing campaign to accuse her of Islamophobia and homophobia without substance, but what policies make her "bad"?

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party