2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Drakle]

Qanon is going to be a Republican Plank by like 2022, or 2024.

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Anyway Q is crazy ... but it makes sense in terms of motivations. It is a way to justify their support because they have no evidence or facts to show that Trump is good for them. No, Donald Trump isn't a moron who doesn't care about them, and can't get anything done. He is a secret agent fighting a shadow war, in between live-tweeting TV shows and golfing. Against an evil deep state of Satanists, cannibal kid fudgers. And his associations with Epstein and all his own sexual assaulting is actually him being a secret double agent.

And all of this gets posted online because the secret ruling class totally doesn't know about 4-chan and Facebook.

 

[Hrothbern]

re the Russia-gate affair.
I still wonder what was in it for Russia besides getting an idiot on the throne who would no doubt weaken the US.

From original agenda points of Trump on foreign affairs
Get out of the Middle-East with US military ?
Attack trade position China ? Something in the interest of Russia but rather not initiated by themselves ?

 

[Berzerker]

If you have voted for, intend to vote for or defend trump you are functionally, a facist enabler and racist enabler. You don't get the benefit of the doubt now, he's been in office.

He wasn't in office when people voted for him, but Joe "lets invade Iraq" Biden spent close to 50 years in office so whats his track record? What criteria do you employ to accuse Trump of fascism and racism while giving Biden a pass? How can anyone look at reality and conclude Trump's a fascist and Biden is not? Hell, Obama was in office - even got elected riding the anti-Iraq war vote - and destroyed Libya.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/obama-administration-wrecked-libya-generation

He was rewarded with 4 more years so he destroyed Syria too

People who supported Obama, Biden and Clinton should find a mirror before their brains wander off looking for the moral high ground.

Trump has done more drone strikes this year in Somalia, in 2020 alone!, than Bush and Obama did in total

We're talking about a presidential candidate who promised to go after their families and then shortly thereafter changed rules regarding reporting civilian casualties

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/

And then somehow the deaths under the Iran sanctions won't count because magically having a pandemic at the same time as being under brutal sanction means that we don't count those deaths against the person imposing the sanctions

41? The ballparks created by Bush and Obama seat a 1/2 million.

If you haven't voted for any mass murderers, it's because you've never voted for any candidate who actually won the election and became President...which...congratulations, ya know?

You voted for a mass murderer in 2016 and you're voting for another one this fall, neither served as President.

 

[Kyriakos]

Qanon people. Just great.
I think the US has fallen victim to its own supremacy after ww2, and then after the collapse of USSR.
A bit like how the Byzantine Empire had a series of stupid/horrible emperors after Basil II, living on the sense that no matter what it would be #1 forever.

PS: do any of the republicans actually care that Trump apparently only has a vocabulary of 100 words? Maybe that is their own limit too

 

[Sommerswerd]

Trump says "Q-anon people love our country" because by "our country" he means himself.

*in Leonard Nimoy voice* - I AM the State.

 

[El_Machinae]

41? The ballparks created by Bush and Obama seat a 1/2 million.

Apples to oranges there, but that doesn't matter. I had already predicted your response "the deaths due to the Iran Sanctions don't count". You didn't need to include an apples to oranges comparison, we knew what your fundamental dodge already was.

 

[Berzerker]

Apples to oranges there, but that doesn't matter. I had already predicted your response "the deaths due to the Iran Sanctions don't count". You didn't need to include an apples to oranges comparison, we knew what your fundamental dodge already was.

I dont know what the deaths are in Iran nor did I say they dont count, you decided to link a story about Somalian drone strikes instead. And you brought up those drone strikes in a discussion about the mass murder of Iraqis, Libyans and Syrians, so you included apples to oranges and then blamed me for the comparison.

 

[El_Machinae]

The Somali strikes were evidence of a lack of transparency and increased warmongering. The major reason why you think Obama was worse it's because you don't have Trump's death toll

I mentioned Iran because you mentioned Clinton sanctions.

 

[Zardnaar]

It's quite funny how Berserker manages to blame Obama when he inherited a destabilized middle east caused by Bush invasion of Iraq.

 

[Kyriakos]

I wouldn't call the result of Bush's wars in the ME destabilization. It was utter ruin. Isis obviously was a direct result of the massive power vacuum.
Furthermore, neither Iraq nor Afganistan were responsible for 911 or weren't already self-contained due to their own issues.

 

[Berzerker]

The Somali strikes were evidence of a lack of transparency and increased warmongering. The major reason why you think Obama was worse it's because you don't have Trump's death toll

I mentioned Iran because you mentioned Clinton sanctions.

Increased warmongering in total? I think our footprint was larger when Trump took office. Do you know Trump's death toll? The reason I think Obama's worse is because he invaded Libya and Syria and I have no reason to believe Trump has caused anywhere near as much damage. And thats true for Biden and both Clintons, all 4 combined with Bush and Shrub destroyed half the middle east and turned the other half into refugee camps.

Trump's sin is not extricating us from that quagmire faster, but when he tries the Democrats and neo-cons howl while the GOP remains quiet. Recently the House passed some bill or resolution requiring certain criteria be met before Trump can withdraw from Afghanistan. The war machine owns both parties and wants us to stay in the Middle East to provoke attacks because war is profitable.

It's quite funny how Berserker manages to blame Obama when he inherited a destabilized middle east caused by Bush invasion of Iraq.

I dont blame Obama for the mess Bush caused by invading Iraq, I blame him for Libya and Syria. Each President inherits their predecessor's mess and Trump inherited them all. He's closing down the wars in Afghanistan and Syria and he kept us out of Libya.

 

[Zardnaar]

Increased warmongering in total? I think our footprint was larger when Trump took office. Do you know Trump's death toll? The reason I think Obama's worse is because he invaded Libya and Syria and I have no reason to believe Trump has caused anywhere near as much damage. And thats true for Biden and both Clintons, all 4 combined with Bush and Shrub destroyed half the middle east and turned the other half into refugee camps.

Trump's sin is not extricating us from that quagmire faster, but when he tries the Democrats and neo-cons howl while the GOP remains quiet. Recently the House passed some bill or resolution requiring certain criteria be met before Trump can withdraw from Afghanistan. The war machine owns both parties and wants us to stay in the Middle East to provoke attacks because war is profitable.



I dont blame Obama for the mess Bush caused by invading Iraq, I blame him for Libya and Syria. Each President inherits their predecessor's mess and Trump inherited them all. He's closing down the wars in Afghanistan and Syria and he kept us out of Libya.

You neglect to mention a withdrawal will throw allies to the wolves and probably kickstart civil wars.

 

[Berzerker]

So you're blaming Trump for inheriting a destabilized Middle East?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

We can blame him for further destabilizing it rather than doing anything constructive.

 

[Zardnaar]

So you're blaming Trump for inheriting a destabilized Middle East?

Nope not for that.

If he withdrew en masses and it all turns to crap that would be in him.

He inherited the ISIS mess so he gets a pass on that for example.

 

[Commodore]

We can blame him for further destabilizing it rather than doing anything constructive.

How is keeping our troops there constructive though? Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing our soldiers die for someone else's country. So if pulling out now destabilizes those countries further, then so be it. At least it won't be our soldiers dying in the ensuing chaos.

 

[Zardnaar]

How is keeping our troops there constructive though? Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing our soldiers die for someone else's country. So if pulling out now destabilizes those countries further, then so be it. At least it won't be our soldiers dying in the ensuing chaos.

Unfortunately in the last 19 years you've made allies in the region such as the Kurds.

Pragmatically it makes the troops a target. By that I mean in might follow you back home to the USA 9/11 style.

If you really want to take a shot at the Americans they're not to hard to find I suppose.

 

[Berzerker]

We can blame him for further destabilizing it rather than doing anything constructive.

Syria's more stable, Afghanistan is another question. Hopefully 20 years of fighting has convinced Afghans to take a break. But overall I think both our footprint and the amount of war are smaller after 3+ years of Trump.

Nope not for that.

If he withdrew en masses and it all turns to crap that would be in him.

He inherited the ISIS mess so he gets a pass on that for example.

It had already turned to crap... If we stay in Afghanistan the various factions kill each other, if we leave they kill each other and someone wins or they make peace. I think Trump did a good job detaching us from Syria given the politics and situation.

 

[El_Machinae]

Step 1 of that detachment being, of course, the banning of refugees from that region.

Can't be a proto-fascist without keeping out the undesirables!

He continued his campaign with lies about minorities. (The racist infographic, 'remembering' false things about muslims post 9/11)

He enacted anti-Muslim policies, as promised

 

[Berzerker]

How is keeping our troops there constructive though? Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing our soldiers die for someone else's country. So if pulling out now destabilizes those countries further, then so be it. At least it won't be our soldiers dying in the ensuing chaos.

we need them dying in the chaos, I have stock in Lockheed Martin