2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Takhisis]

That it is a niche thing. It is one example of a genre of songs that cater to a cultural demographic and try to legitimise social evils and tell people to be proud of such things.
It's not that bad a song, it's merely borderline in that respect, but there's far worse. I just close the tab and clear cookies after that so as to avoid having to listen to that again.

 

[Zardnaar]

That it is a niche thing. It is one example of a genre of songs that cater to a cultural demographic and try to legitimise social evils and tell people to be proud of such things.
It's not that bad a song, it's merely borderline in that respect, but there's far worse. I just close the tab and clear cookies after that so as to avoid having to listen to that again.

Just kind of think of Argentina as a beef exporting moderately wealthy south american state.

Obviously not.

 

[Edmund Ironside]

As we get closer to the election are people seeing many election ads? I haven't seen as many Trump ones recently. This might be because I heard that his campaign had dramatically cut down spending in Michigan & Pennsylvania as they were starting to be seen as lost causes (though a slight tightening in the polls in these states suggests this may not be totally true). Have seen plenty of Biden ones recently. They seem to be going with the approach of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks! I swear the last 4 I saw were all different, and all borderline bizarre in both a good and a bad way. One I thought was a car commercial until I realized it was Biden in the car! I also weirdly have had a couple of Mitch McConnell adverts while watching Youtube videos, asking me if I approve of him (I don't, but as a non resident of Kentucky not sure my views are important on this)!

Also as people on this thread like to discuss US presidents (current, past and future) I thought I would mention there is a forum elimination game going on at the moment for all the US presidents.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/american-president-elimination-thread.661127/

 

[Timsup2nothin]

As we approach the election I have stopped watching television altogether. Thank you for reminding me that this has an enormous side benefit.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

As we get closer to the election are people seeing many election ads?

Not really. The radio and TV channels I get don't get political ads as a rule and most of the content I watch is ad-free streaming anyways.

I do get some ad on this news app I read on my phone with about 50/50 split between the candidates.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And thank you for reminding me how pleased I am with my ad blocker.

Who is running again?

 

[Zardnaar]

That it is a niche thing. It is one example of a genre of songs that cater to a cultural demographic and try to legitimise social evils and tell people to be proud of such things.
It's not that bad a song, it's merely borderline in that respect, but there's far worse. I just close the tab and clear cookies after that so as to avoid having to listen to that again.

Just kind of think of Argentina as a beef exporting moderately wealthy south american state.

Obviously not.

 

[Zardnaar]

Apparently Biden is leading with older white voters in Florida.

 

[Patine]

That it is a niche thing. It is one example of a genre of songs that cater to a cultural demographic and try to legitimise social evils and tell people to be proud of such things.
It's not that bad a song, it's merely borderline in that respect, but there's far worse. I just close the tab and clear cookies after that so as to avoid having to listen to that again.

Well, to be fair, a lot of rap and hip hop (not all of it, but a lot) glorifies and basks in pride of the worst parts of African-American cultures and caters to the worst stereotypes racists may have of African-Americans. Is that somehow different?

 

[innonimatu]

Rather insightful comment, imo:

Nearly the whole of Trump’s case for re-election in 2020 comes from the wreckage of these endless, oft-overheated Spy vs. Spy-style intrigues against him. What would he be running on, if he didn’t have Russiagate, “fake news,” and impeachment? When the Democrats failed to bring the latter up even once during the recent DNC, conspicuously disinviting key impeachment players like Adam Schiff and Tom Steyer, it made Trump’s martyrdom argument for him: if Ukraine was the Most Important Issue In the Universe just eight months ago, where is it now?
[...]
He is selling an experience that everyone is buying, even the people who think they oppose him the most.
My worry is with that last part. Institutional America is now organized around a Trump-led America. The news media will lose billions with him gone (and will be lost editorially). The Democratic Party has no message — literally none — apart from him. A surging activist movement will be deflated without him, along with a host of related fundraising groups and businesses (watch what happens to “dismantling white supremacy training” in a non-Trump context).
It feels like a co-dependent relationship

 

[Takhisis]

The news media will lose billions with him gone (and will be lost editorially)
hahahahah as if there wasn't enough to be opinionated about anyway

 

[Farm Boy]

That it is a niche thing. It is one example of a genre of songs that cater to a cultural demographic and try to legitimise social evils and tell people to be proud of such things.
It's not that bad a song, it's merely borderline in that respect, but there's far worse. I just close the tab and clear cookies after that so as to avoid having to listen to that again.

I mean, I get it I suppose. I don't listen to lots of ethnic pop music either, why would I like it all? I dislike huge amounts of hip hop. But I like some of it, particularly the gleeful stuff. I mean, it's us even if it's not us us.

 

[Socrates99]

The news media will lose billions with him gone (and will be lost editorially)
hahahahah as if there wasn't enough to be opinionated about anyway

He makes a good heel. Without him they will have to go back to "both sides" garbage all day long.

 

[amadeus]

I watched a couple minutes of Biden's acceptance speech, and I think I can sum up my opinion on him (not policy-wise) as follows: he's more likeable when he is just himself, not trying to be Prefidential or pander to the groups that are already in his pocket. I think he comes off stronger, just as "rally Trump" did in 2016. Watching the speech, it seems like Biden's hitting a lot of speedbumps that a seasoned politician such as himself shouldn't be; I'm not trying to concern troll by saying that because it would take a lot for me to pull the Biden lever and I doubt he's going to give me what I want for my lowly vote.

More watching, he needs to fire his speechwriters and stop that low talking. He goes up, goes down. He shouldn't talk about Obama, either; give me reasons to vote for Biden, not for Obama. Obama's not on the ballot. Ope, good Biden's back on!

In sum, he's better than this speech. A little bit of good performance shines through, and maybe in the end those good parts are what people will remember. Maybe that's all that matters?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I watched a couple minutes of Biden's acceptance speech, and I think I can sum up my opinion on him (not policy-wise) as follows: he's more likeable when he is just himself, not trying to be Prefidential or pander to the groups that are already in his pocket. I think he comes off stronger, just as "rally Trump" did in 2016. Watching the speech, it seems like Biden's hitting a lot of speedbumps that a seasoned politician such as himself shouldn't be; I'm not trying to concern troll by saying that because it would take a lot for me to pull the Biden lever and I doubt he's going to give me what I want for my lowly vote.

More watching, he needs to fire his speechwriters and stop that low talking. He goes up, goes down. He shouldn't talk about Obama, either; give me reasons to vote for Biden, not for Obama. Obama's not on the ballot. Ope, good Biden's back on!

In sum, he's better than this speech. A little bit of good performance shines through, and maybe in the end those good parts are what people will remember. Maybe that's all that matters?

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But you'd still vote for trump, right?

 

[amadeus]

But you'd still vote for trump, right?

Didn't vote for him the first time.

 

[Farm Boy]

Why would he virtue perform for you anyways? Telling you about people who are "performing the virtue" you want to know about just leads to "they cannot possibly repay me for being the other before I was in existence" anyways.

Talk about a useless exchange. That's literal bad-blood agitation with no payout other than abuse.

 

[Ajidica]

Rather insightful comment, imo:
Nearly the whole of Trump’s case for re-election in 2020 comes from the wreckage of these endless, oft-overheated Spy vs. Spy-style intrigues against him. What would he be running on, if he didn’t have Russiagate, “fake news,” and impeachment? When the Democrats failed to bring the latter up even once during the recent DNC, conspicuously disinviting key impeachment players like Adam Schiff and Tom Steyer, it made Trump’s martyrdom argument for him: if Ukraine was the Most Important Issue In the Universe just eight months ago, where is it now?
[...]
He is selling an experience that everyone is buying, even the people who think they oppose him the most.
My worry is with that last part. Institutional America is now organized around a Trump-led America. The news media will lose billions with him gone (and will be lost editorially). The Democratic Party has no message — literally none — apart from him. A surging activist movement will be deflated without him, along with a host of related fundraising groups and businesses (watch what happens to “dismantling white supremacy training” in a non-Trump context).
It feels like a co-dependent relationship

While I agree with the sentiment, it is worth pointing out that the Democrats not focusing on the Trump campaign's links to dodgy Eastern European/Arab Oligarchs, their attempts to hide it, or the Ukraine kerfuffle doesn't mean those issues were not important. Rather, it shows that those issues are hard to communicate to the American public in a way that feels relevant. In the midst of a pandemic and economy reliant on government life support, talking about those issues are the best ways to appeal to voters. If the Democrats kept talking about the dodgy links or Ukraine kerfuffle, they I would expect to see an article by Taibibi slamming the Democrats for being too invested in international intrigues over bread-and-butter issues.
The Democrats are a political party, the issues voters care about take precedence over issues that, however structurally important, voters struggle to understand/put in context.

 

[Lexicus]

Part of it is also just issue-fatigue more generally. And let's be real, the pandemic put a lot of pre-pandemic stuff on the back-burner.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Why would he virtue perform for you anyways? Telling you about people who are "performing the virtue" you want to know about just leads to "they cannot possibly repay me for being the other before I was in existence" anyways.

Talk about a useless exchange. That's literal bad-blood agitation with no payout other than abuse.

You're trying to say something but im unsure if i can understand what it is