2020 US Election (Part Two)

[El_Machinae]

Farm Boy: summarized

Confronting people on who they voted for might have reverse effects to what you want. And also, why should amadeus answer your question, even?

 

[Gorbles]

Farm Boy: summarized

Confronting people on who they voted for might have reverse effects to what you want. And also, why should amadeus answer your question, even?

People are confronted regularly in OT on subjects they don't necessarily need to be. I'd argue it's a pretty established part of the various back-and-forths we have here.

 

[Edmund Ironside]

While I agree with the sentiment, it is worth pointing out that the Democrats not focusing on the Trump campaign's links to dodgy Eastern European/Arab Oligarchs, their attempts to hide it, or the Ukraine kerfuffle doesn't mean those issues were not important.

Also the Democrats may feel reluctant to attack Trump on the whole Ukraine affair as Biden is the candidate. While Trump came out of the whole thing looking terrible, Biden didn't exactly come out of it smelling like roses! When there is so much dodgy stuff you can attack Trump on, might be easier to focus on stuff that doesn't throw any shade on themselves either.

 

[Berzerker]

RussiaGate's failure put it on the back burner before the pandemic and Taibbi would be slamming the Democrats for lying to the courts to spy on Trump.

 

[Patine]

But you'd still vote for trump, right?

Didn't vote for him the first time.

Why would he virtue perform for you anyways? Telling you about people who are "performing the virtue" you want to know about just leads to "they cannot possibly repay me for being the other before I was in existence" anyways.

Talk about a useless exchange. That's literal bad-blood agitation with no payout other than abuse.

Farm Boy: summarized

Confronting people on who they voted for might have reverse effects to what you want. And also, why should amadeus answer your question, even?

People are confronted regularly in OT on subjects they don't necessarily need to be. I'd argue it's a pretty established part of the various back-and-forths we have here.

Since we're talking about who voted for what, I'll say that, in every election in the 21st Century (except Municipal ones, which are non-partisan, officially, here) I voted for the New Democratic Party of Canada, a Social Democratic Party ideologically inline with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (who, regardless of what the Ghost of McCarthy, brought out like a cheap Halloween decoration in the U.S., are ideologically, NOT Communists, Hard Socialists, or Far-Left Extremists). Unfortunately, the NDP do not have an analog in the U.S., and certainly not one the rigged and corrupt system there would allow a chance of winning. The one 21st Century election I didn't vote for the NDP (in 2015, due it's repugnant leader, at the time, Thomas Mulcair), I voted for the Liberal Party of Canada (though the results were a big disappointment, and I went back to the NDP in 2019), but it was nice to have an alternative that had some cache than just flipping directly to the Conservative Party of Canada. The corrupt and rigged American electoral system allows no such meaningful option, and thus again cheats and betrays it's voter.

While I agree with the sentiment, it is worth pointing out that the Democrats not focusing on the Trump campaign's links to dodgy Eastern European/Arab Oligarchs, their attempts to hide it, or the Ukraine kerfuffle doesn't mean those issues were not important. Rather, it shows that those issues are hard to communicate to the American public in a way that feels relevant. In the midst of a pandemic and economy reliant on government life support, talking about those issues are the best ways to appeal to voters. If the Democrats kept talking about the dodgy links or Ukraine kerfuffle, they I would expect to see an article by Taibibi slamming the Democrats for being too invested in international intrigues over bread-and-butter issues.
The Democrats are a political party, the issues voters care about take precedence over issues that, however structurally important, voters struggle to understand/put in context.

What about Biden's dodgy ties to Eastern European and Arab Oligarchs, as well?

 

[Takhisis]

I got a near-aneurysm moment last night watching Nicolás Maduro go on Telesur and state (as verbosely as always) that Donald Trump is trying to assassinate him, has put up a 15-million-dollar bounty on him, and has introduced snipers in his territory to take him out.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Every time I think they're big enough *******s already.

It was very disappointing to say the least and I don't smoke anymore. They banned everything flavored with nicotine in it, including cigars and vape juice. The reason being is 'Think of the children!', which is so often a lame excuse - particularly when this ban has racial implications and just begs for a black market to spring up. Really, really dissapointing. I'm all for curbing public smoking/vaping and taking steps to keeps kids off it and to reduce overall consumption but outright bans are dumb and are restrictive of adult freedoms.

But don't think this is a uniquely progressive thing - my city is run by Republicans and this year they banned smoking or vaping in the entire city. It is now literally illegal to light up or puff on a vape anywhere off your own property and the police have the ability to fine people over it. While plenty of liberals cheered this on, it was conservatives in this particular instance that pushed and passed this ordinance.

 

[Patine]

I got a near-aneurysm moment last night watching Nicolás Maduro go on Telesur and state (as verbosely as always) that Donald Trump is trying to assassinate him, has put up a 15-million-dollar bounty on him, and has introduced snipers in his territory to take him out.

But does Donald Trump have these things? I'm at all a fan of Trump - I think he's monstrous, vile, narcissistic, mean-spirited, apathetic to the needs of betterment of his nation and people, a bully and someone who just goes off at the mouth and shows definite contempt for freedom of the press and the Constitutional limits of his office, and is thin-skinned and incompetent - but the thing is, we have reached a point where a sizable amount of people drop ALL NEED FOR A BURDEN OF PROOF AT ALL if something is said that negatively impacts Trump - it's just believed, and insisted on believed, flat out, no matter how implausible. And THAT sort of situation is not good AT ALL, regardless of the context or the target of said zeitgeist.

 

[El_Machinae]

Baptists and bootleggers. It was the unlikely coalition that wanted to keep prohibition in place

 

[amadeus]

I just had a mental image of a pantsless Jimmy Swaggart stumbling around with a bottle of liquor. I don’t know if he was a drinker or not, but he certainly had his share of vices. Good singer though.

Much better than that creepy con artist Jim Bakker. Peter Popoff kinda in the middle, entertaining but not as talented as Swaggart.

 

[Takhisis]

But does Donald Trump have these things? I'm at all a fan of Trump - I think he's monstrous, vile, narcissistic, mean-spirited, apathetic to the needs of betterment of his nation and people, a bully and someone who just goes off at the mouth and shows definite contempt for freedom of the press and the Constitutional limits of his office, and is thin-skinned and incompetent - but the thing is, we have reached a point where a sizable amount of people drop ALL NEED FOR A BURDEN OF PROOF AT ALL if something is said that negatively impacts Trump - it's just believed, and insisted on believed, flat out, no matter how implausible. And THAT sort of situation is not good AT ALL, regardless of the context or the target of said zeitgeist.

a) I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
b) I'm not sure that you're not mistaking me for a supporter of Nicolás Maduro.

 

[Socrates99]

But does Donald Trump have these things? I'm at all a fan of Trump - I think he's monstrous, vile, narcissistic, mean-spirited, apathetic to the needs of betterment of his nation and people, a bully and someone who just goes off at the mouth and shows definite contempt for freedom of the press and the Constitutional limits of his office, and is thin-skinned and incompetent - but the thing is, we have reached a point where a sizable amount of people drop ALL NEED FOR A BURDEN OF PROOF AT ALL if something is said that negatively impacts Trump - it's just believed, and insisted on believed, flat out, no matter how implausible. And THAT sort of situation is not good AT ALL, regardless of the context or the target of said zeitgeist.

He absolutely does. We already see proof of that in the middle east. Do the names Soleimani and Baghdadi ring a bell? Difference is Maduro's military is fully behind him and he isn't leaving Caracas any time soon.

I'm so tired of people pretending Trump's even halfassed antiwar. Hes antiwar in the way LBJ was. Ramp things up in hope to end them quickly. That's not antiwar.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Anyone who hasn't seen her, this girl is hilarious.

 

[Patine]

He absolutely does. We already see proof of that in the middle east. Do the names Soleimani and Baghdadi ring a bell? Difference is Maduro's military is fully behind him and he isn't leaving Caracas any time soon.

I'm so tired of people pretending Trump's even halfassed antiwar. Hes antiwar in the way LBJ was. Ramp things up in hope to end them quickly. That's not antiwar.

I think you're answering the wrong question. You're certainly NOT answering mine.

 

[Socrates99]

I think you're answering the wrong question. You're certainly NOT answering mine.

eh, you asked if he has snipers or could put a bounty on Maduro and the answer is fudge yeah he does and absolutely can. In fact the $15m bounty is absolutely true.

 

[Edmund Ironside]

Apparently Biden is leading with older white voters in Florida.

Apparently these older Florida voters can get quite passionate!
"A Florida Man who crashed his golf cart in a tunnel blames Donald Trump for it...The Florida Man, 82-year-old Cary Frederick, had appeared to have been drinking, the arrest report states. He stated he had been “watching President Trump on TV then got really mad at what he said,” and began drinking vodka a few hours before the crash."
https://floridaman.com/crashes-golf-cart-blames-trump/

 

[Patine]

eh, you asked if he has snipers or could put a bounty on Maduro and the answer is fudge yeah he does and absolutely can. In fact the $15m bounty is absolutely true.

No, that's not actually what I asked.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Apparently these older Florida voters can get quite passionate!
"A Florida Man who crashed his golf cart in a tunnel blames Donald Trump for it...The Florida Man, 82-year-old Cary Frederick, had appeared to have been drinking, the arrest report states. He stated he had been “watching President Trump on TV then got really mad at what he said,” and began drinking vodka a few hours before the crash."
https://floridaman.com/crashes-golf-cart-blames-trump/

Plausible justification, case dismissed.

 

[r16]

check Bay of Piglets for introducing snipers thing where former US Special Forces members were caught trying to stage a coup . Trump's war making is so true , except he can't make up his mind . Once again his mobster experience . Thinks scaring people is yugely successful and useful , talks bad , gets his PR thing , goes on to scare someone else , When he meets people who have actually endured more , he becomes surprised . Killing Süleymani should have paralysed lran , instead we had this incredible moment of daily increasing numbers of American soldiers being checked for brain trauma . That Maduro is a joke can not hide tyhe fact Trump is also a joke .

 

[Socrates99]

No, that's not actually what I asked.

Weird because Takh said this:

I got a near-aneurysm moment last night watching Nicolás Maduro go on Telesur and state (as verbosely as always) that Donald Trump is trying to assassinate him, has put up a 15-million-dollar bounty on him, and has introduced snipers in his territory to take him out.

and this was your response.

But does Donald Trump have these things? I'm at all a fan of Trump - I think he's monstrous, vile, narcissistic, mean-spirited, apathetic to the needs of betterment of his nation and people, a bully and someone who just goes off at the mouth and shows definite contempt for freedom of the press and the Constitutional limits of his office, and is thin-skinned and incompetent - but the thing is, we have reached a point where a sizable amount of people drop ALL NEED FOR A BURDEN OF PROOF AT ALL if something is said that negatively impacts Trump - it's just believed, and insisted on believed, flat out, no matter how implausible. And THAT sort of situation is not good AT ALL, regardless of the context or the target of said zeitgeist.

so I answered yep, he does and he really does have a $15m bounty on Maduro or at least his DoJ does because they've designated Maduro a narco-terrorist.