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Biden losing his train of thought, consistantly, whenever he talks to the media, totally normal and not a sign of his degenerating, rotting brain
2020 US Election (Part Two)
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Well, let's see. First of all, Donald Trump's response has been so woefully inadequate and counterproductive (case in point) that he should be voted out no matter what if the electorate has any sense (what an if!).
Second (and related), it is already a disaster as-is. The US is tanking and those who voted on him ‘because economy’ won't have even that to stick to. All his measures (tax cuts for the rich financed by borrowing and by cutting down services such as health and environmental agencies) have been leading inevitably to an economic disaster. It was just a matter of time whether it happened during this presidency or the next, but no more.
Nobody wants to just massacre a lot of people to get Trump out. Conversely, a lot of his supporters appear to want to, at least, formally remove the vote from anybody who opposes him/them, if not worse.
*added time, unless it's a two-legged tie.
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LOL...and do you have a proposal for how to produce these?
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If I ever feel the need for an interpreter to explain what I'm saying, I'll hire one. It won't be you.
Yup, especially given their (the Lib Dem's) actions in recent years.
I don't know what I did to deserve this snark, and yeah, I'm calling it as it is. "friendly turnabout sarcasm" isn't easily taken at face value as anything but sarcasm. You're claiming I knew "damn well" something I didn't know, or at least wasn't expressively sure on, and now apparently was also being passive-aggressive at the time. This is exactly what I meant about taking things pre-emptively in bad faith. Every single possible way you could've taken my question, you took it badly.To the extent that you took my joke about Biden dropping out (which I readily preemptively disclaimed as friendly turnabout sarcasm) as "snark", please note that I did expressly state that I regarded your question as sarcastic, ie rhetorical... as in, you knew damn well that Biden didn't yet have enough delegates to be the official "winner" yet, and that was your passive-aggressive way of pointing it out... "Oh I'm just silly Brit who doesn't understand your wacky US delegate maths but it seems to me that Biden hasn't actually won yet...correct me if I'm wrong... I'm just a silly Brit afterall"
Kind of like when people say "Hey I'm no mathematician, but..." and then point out that someone's numbers don't seem to add up in a very obvious way. I took it as a sarcastic/passive aggressive, roundabut way of pointing out that Biden hadn't technically won yet, so I responded in kind, which seemed appropriate. Not "defensive", least of all not of Biden, just giving as good as I was getting in general. Now you're saying that you didn't mean it that way, and I will take you at your word so sorry for being snarky.
The real point as @Timsup2nothin outlined, is that the delegate math is pretty difficult for Sanders, not technically impossible, but not within any realistic hope at this point.
I have a rule of thumb, I try not to get involved in discussions that I'm not read-up on. I've said this before, but I read far more than I post on here (if that's believable). When I do, I do it with the utmost caution and often too much wrapping my sentences in clarifications, friendly emoji, and the like. Didn't always have that habit here, but I do now. I have it most other places on the web. I try to be explicitly clear that I'm dipping my toe in something I could have completely backwards, because my exposure to US politics is very left-wing and split mostly between Sanders and Warren (literally no other candidate) by dint of friend circles and social media.
tl;dr: you gave me what you thought was an obvious joke and you were so surprised at how I took it that you had to wrap my reception of it as snark in quotes, but you also pre-emptively weighted all of my language in the worst possible light, at the time that you read it. That's unfair. Electoral politics (to be fair, any really) just breaks discussions sometimes, and I was surprised that it happened here, with you.
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You did apologise, and I did read it. I'm just frustrated, especially since you could've just read the rest of the post I tagged you in (directed at other folks, sure) and probably could've realised I wasn't being sarcastic or setting you up for some kind of silly gotcha.
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Timsup2nothin
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No, as rational actors they specifically did not "make a choice in isolation." There are a whole lot of factors that play into stepping out of a race. To ignore those factors isn't independence, it's stupidity. The pressure on them wasn't exerted by this mysterious "Democratic Party Leadership" with the twirly moustache, the pressure was exerted by the political realities of not being chosen by a sufficient number of voters. That's life in politics.
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Said this on another forum I'll repeat it here.
Reality is gonna bite a lot of ideologies in the ass doesn't matter if you're right/left.
Broadly speaking the neo liberal trickle down theory will be exposed as a complete farce when the poo hits the fan. Espicially on healthcare.
In the left a lot of liberal ideas just became obsolete. Not everyone can be saved being blunt it's gonna be a waste of time trying.
What needs to be done. Well look at FDR and the war years with rationing etc.
Reality is gonna bite a lot of ideologies in the ass doesn't matter if you're right/left.
Broadly speaking the neo liberal trickle down theory will be exposed as a complete farce when the poo hits the fan. Espicially on healthcare.
In the left a lot of liberal ideas just became obsolete. Not everyone can be saved being blunt it's gonna be a waste of time trying.
What needs to be done. Well look at FDR and the war years with rationing etc.
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I'm glad not everyone in the world is the political fatalist, nihilist, and excepting the state of affairs as perpetually immutable and much just be endured as you are. You're like the "Uncle Tom," to the common voter.
I think you need someone to muzzle your rabid rhetoric, or at least make less of the "don't argue with any of my points of view, because I'll rag on you further and tell you your always wrong without actually proving how or why," constant, arrogant and endless shoutdowns of anything you happen to not to LIKE (regardless of valid points or meaningful facts) all the damned time.
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You have a lot more faith and confidence in the Democratic Party leadership than you really should, or that is at all wise. In fact, they've proven constantly to no more deserving of faith or confidence than the Republican Party leadership. It's Tweed or Conklin, I'm afraid.
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In short, no, you have nothing to offer. For me to be this horrific fatalist you present me as you need to present an idea for me to shoot down.
That may be an interesting statement and perhaps true, but it is useless because you present no path to ever get there.
It is similar to: "If we all weren't so selfish, the world would be a better place." True, but so what?
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Everything I say on the issue, whether it's a suggestion, idea, criticism, or pointing to the pressing needs of the affair, you just shut down with your endless fatalism. It is you that I have nothing to offer, and you have the gall to accuse me of such when I have been, time and again - it just doesn't match your specific qualifications or bar of viewpoint - which seems to be either ridiculously high, or is just not there, but a vapid pretense to dismiss everything I say, and try to disingenuous reverse the positions and claim I'm saying nothing and you're contributing everything). Just because you don't pay attention to what I'm saying, or dismiss it off hand arrogantly, doesn't mean I'm not offering anything. It is you who are offering nothing - negative count material in fact. Now can the disingenuous arrogance! You're not really that vital or important to anything discussed like you think you are.
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"You should have candidates not from either party" isn't a suggestion. Maybe it qualifies as an idea, in sort of the same way that "a president should be of excellent character and a true humanitarian" is an idea, but without any sort of follow up in the vein of making it happen it doesn't add anything of value. "Pointing to the pressing needs of the affair" the way you do it is beyond annoying, because you are just spouting the blindingly obvious over and over as if you arrogantly believe no one else sees it. Telling someone who is on fire that they really should put that out before they scorch the paint on your car isn't really very neighborly...and that's sort of the image I hold of your "pointing." Either grab a fire extinguisher or shut the hell up would be the appropriate response to them, and your endless whining about how your arrogant visions don't get you greeted as a messiah makes you doubly irksome.
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Now you're just getting ridiculous. A "messiah?" Really? I'm not REALLY as arrogant as you just assume I am, because you don't like what I say, and you declare as much. If you want to see the truly arrogant and self-righteous one here, who expects every one of his posts to be honoured as correct, insightful, and visionary, while talking down to all those he does not agree with, or finds their posts as distractions, look no further than your bathroom mirror.
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I'd love to see Biden go down still, I have no offers on who to prop up. I can say that we need better then what our government has given us these last few weeks or the last few decades.
Zardnaar
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Well it's Biden or Trump at this point assuming both survive and/or Trump's still in office.
No point ranting about what it should be at this point. Gotta work with what we have.
No point ranting about what it should be at this point. Gotta work with what we have.
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Would you please try to contribute something to the topic so I can shoot it down cold and at least give you a shred of validity to weave into your constant complaining about me?
"The Jets need a new Quarterback"
"The Jets need a new Quarterback"
"The Jets need a new Quarterback"
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"The Jets need a new Quarterback"
"The Jets need a new Quarterback"
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LOL...well played.
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The Bloomberg campaign is facing a potential class-action lawsuit over their broken promise to continue paying the staff after he threw in the towel. Probably won't go anywhere though
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