2020 US Election (Part Two)

Status
Not open for further replies.
You're dancing around the issue of truth... The issue of truth is never irrelevant.

Carlson makes his bread & butter appealing to people's emotions, it's not a surprise but why give him ammunition (by choosing someone for VP so blatantly corrupt)?

I love sluts, I have many good (or at least half-decent) memories with them. You insult sluts by lumping them in with women who use their sexuality immorally for power purposes. Kamala doesn't come off as a slut, she comes off sociopathic.

Pointing out that some women use their sexuality for nefarious purposes is about as sexist as pointing out some men are rapists.
In what way does the truth or otherwise of Tuckers statements alter Kamala's suitability for office?

No, pointing out that some women use their sexuality for nefarious purposes is about as sexist as pointing out some men use their sexuality for nefarious purposes (which never gets pointed out). Pointing out that some women are rapists is about as sexist as pointing out some men are rapists. There is a big difference.
 
Predictable but how much or what he's saying is factual incorrect?
My understanding is that she did indeed have the relationship with the dude in question, and it was indeed, at least in part, according to his understanding, to further her career. My feeling on it is... So what?
Yes it was. Unless you are the kind of person who agrees with Saddam that Kuwait was somehow the "rightful territory" of Iraq that was "stolen" from them by British colonial redrawing of borders.
My understanding is that Kuwait was "slant-drilling" Iraq's oil and Saddam was attempting to "annex" them to reclaim the stolen oil. As you probably know, Slant-drilling is when you have no oil under your land but your neighbor does, so you tunnel from your land to his and "drink his milkshake". Slant-drilling will get you killed in Texas.
Is it your suspicion that she misrepresented herself as genuinely interested in him sexually, when what she was really interested in was the ways he could help her career?

If it could be established that he knew it was a quid pro quo and was perfectly happy with the quo that he was getting for his quid, would it change your view of the situation?
Tucker Carlson needs to STFU. Hes gonna eff things up for everybody, especially Republican men all over the country if he creates this zeitgeist whereby women think there is something wrong with sexing a man up to get him to do what you want... half the sex you get is because your partner is buttering you up.
 
This is a perfect demonstration of why HuffPo is not a credible media organization. This is tabloid journalism. I mean damn, they seriously used Daily Beast as one of their sources on this article.
The headline is certainly one that grabs you. But the story is based on what Cohen has said. The story just pulls stuff from what Cohen has stated in the link below. They didn't make stuff up; the just emphasized the salacious parts.

There are reasons why there has never been an intimate portrait of Donald Trump, the man. In part, it’s because he has a million acquaintances, pals and hangers on, but no real friends. He has no one he trusts to keep his secrets. For ten years, he certainly had me, and I was always there for him, and look what happened to me. I urge you to really consider that fact: Trump has no true friends. He has lived his entire life avoiding and evading taking responsibility for his actions. He crushed or cheated all who stood in his way, but I know where the skeletons are buried because I was the one who buried them. I was the one who most encouraged him to run for president in 2011, and then again in 2015, carefully orchestrating the famous trip down the escalator in Trump Tower for him to announce his candidacy. When Trump wanted to reach Russian President Vladimir Putin, via a secret back channel, I was tasked with making the connection in my Keystone Kop fashion. I stiffed contractors on his behalf, ripped off his business partners, lied to his wife Melania to hide his sexual infidelities, and bullied and screamed at anyone who threatened Trump’s path to power. From golden showers in a sex club in Vegas, to tax fraud, to deals with corrupt officials from the former Soviet Union, to catch and kill conspiracies to silence Trump’s clandestine lovers, I wasn’t just a witness to the president’s rise—I was an active and eager participant.

https://disloyalthebook.com/download-the-disloyal-foreword-written-by-michael-cohen/
 
Last edited:
You're saying the truth isn't important?
You're dancing around the issue of truth... The issue of truth is never irrelevant.

Carlson makes his bread & butter appealing to people's emotions, it's not a surprise but why give him ammunition (by choosing someone for VP so blatantly corrupt)?

I love sluts, I have many good (or at least half-decent) memories with them. You insult sluts by lumping them in with women who use their sexuality immorally for power purposes. Kamala doesn't come off as a slut, she comes off sociopathic.

Pointing out that some women use their sexuality for nefarious purposes is about as sexist as pointing out some men are rapists.

Seems like you've already decided what you think the truth is.
Only 2 people know what the truth was, you and Tucker Carlsen aren't in a position to know.
 
as pointing out some men use their sexuality for nefarious purposes (which never gets pointed out).

What? Like what what?

Slant-drilling will get you killed in Texas.

Yeah, but Americans have a hard-on for kills and Texans are very American. Old timey wars are conquest are still the literal worst of man. On a high point, the next time east Asia melts down they'll have a lot more fancy weapons in the mix, to tie it in to Korea.
 
Yes it was. Unless you are the kind of person who agrees with Saddam that Kuwait was somehow the "rightful territory" of Iraq that was "stolen" from them by British colonial redrawing of borders.

Not to mention Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was condemned by an overwhelming majority of the world's nations and the US/Coalition were given a mandate by the UN to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait's territory.

Doesn't get more morally justifiable than that. Unless there is some other US intervention in Kuwait you are referring to?

The problem there was that it seems Saddam was trapped by the US, in that he apparently was left to believe the US wouldn't attack him if he moved into Kuwait. Furthermore, you must recall he immediately left Kuwait, but Iraq still got invaded, for not much of a clear reason. (and prior to that, Iraq was a major US ally for more than a decade, and a proxy in the war against Iran).
 
In what way does the truth or otherwise of Tuckers statements alter Kamala's suitability for office?

No, pointing out that some women use their sexuality for nefarious purposes is about as sexist as pointing out some men use their sexuality for nefarious purposes (which never gets pointed out).
Gets pointed out all the time. There's even a word for it - womanizer.

My understanding is that she did indeed have the relationship with the dude in question, and it was indeed, at least in part, according to his understanding, to further her career. My feeling on it is... So what?
It wouldn't be any sort of deal breaker but we shouldn't be shocked that it's brought up. The left mocks Trump for having affairs, banging some porn lady, etc.

Seems like you've already decided what you think the truth is.
My opinion about Harris is based on other things, I just don't think we should be shocked that people are judging her dirty laundry, that's what happens.
 
Gets pointed out all the time. There's even a word for it - womanizer.

Except for men its often said in an admiring way.

It wouldn't be any sort of deal breaker but we shouldn't be shocked that it's brought up. The left mocks Trump for having affairs, banging some porn lady, etc.

The etc being the numerous allegations of sexual assault.
My opinion about Harris is based on other things, I just don't think we should be shocked that people are judging her dirty laundry, that's what happens.

Dirty laundry? A brief relationship with a man who was separated from his wife qualifies as dirty laundry? That allows you to claim shes a sociopath who uses her sexuality to advance her career. BS.
 
Back then most of the world was divided into communists and non communist countries.

The communists tried to expand by force in Korea and non communists defended against that.
Generally whenever the Communists took over you had refugees or locked borders.

Part of my point is, many of the non-Communist countries, especially many of the ones the U.S. and other West Bloc nations wanted to keep in power, or to install in power, against Communist regimes, were just as authoritarian, tyrannical, bloody-handed, power-abusive, and blatantly corrupt as the Communist regimes they were meant replace or stand firm against. Where is this "higher ground," mentality you keep quoting? You talk about me "justifying some really crappy regimes crimes," when that's EXACTLY what you're doing, just ones whose only meaningful, core difference is sucking up to the West Bloc rather than the East Bloc

What about slutshaming someone involves any form of truth? If any truth is present, it's completely irrelevant to the act of shaming someone. It's a moral condemnation. It doesn't have to have any roots in a "truth", just the virtue of the person doing the shaming.

For a (nominal) Christian like Carlson, "slutshaming" becomes incredibly easy because religion in general offers a ton of moral high horses from which to shame people from.

Who is this "Carlson," (with no first name, I'm clueless), whom is he "slutshaming," (which is completely Un-Christian behaviour for someone following the Ministry of Christ and the Apostles as is), and how did the conversation on highly dubious regimes supported by the U.S. by military power lead to this?

Yes it was. Unless you are the kind of person who agrees with Saddam that Kuwait was somehow the "rightful territory" of Iraq that was "stolen" from them by British colonial redrawing of borders.

Not to mention Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was condemned by an overwhelming majority of the world's nations and the US/Coalition were given a mandate by the UN to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait's territory.

Doesn't get more morally justifiable than that. Unless there is some other US intervention in Kuwait you are referring to?

No, Desert Storm had no higher ground at all. It was ALL about oil and the greed of oil. And, yes, the British Empire did redraw a lot of maps arbitrarily whose unjust consequences are still being felt to this day, despite your arrogant and cavalier, "these are the maps now, live with them," attitude. A Hell of a lot of war, bloodshed, and horrible hatred that is not really as old as many really think came from other "Auntie Knows Best," border drawing in the day, like many instances in African, issues from the Partition of India, and the root of every single conflict, without exception, at the source, in the post-WW1 Levantine region.

This is a perfect demonstration of why HuffPo is not a credible media organization. This is tabloid journalism. I mean damn, they seriously used Daily Beast as one of their sources on this article.

ALL American "news" outlets have lost all credibility and veracity since about the time Walter Cronkite retired. They're all now just fire-spitting, vitriolic, partisan propaganda machines where very obviously facts are optional, and yellow journalism, clickbait, and other sensationalist tactics are mainstream draws. I no longer get my news from American "news," outlets, but from more reliable and sober, if certainly not perfect, sources like the BBC and the CBC.
 
The etc being the numerous allegations of sexual assault.
I wouldn't consider that "etc." Obviously assault & rape are orders of magnitude beyond mere sexual impropriety.

That allows you to claim shes a sociopath who uses her sexuality to advance her career. BS.
No. She just seems fake. Hard-nosed prosecutor suddenly turned compassionate & all of a sudden enlightened about drug reform. She's down for power, doesn't care about people. She's a fit with Biden in that regard.

Trump is next level to both of them in terms of being self-serving but I'm not going to get all excited about the lesser of two evils.
 
Who is this "Carlson," (with no first name, I'm clueless), whom is he "slutshaming," (which is completely Un-Christian behaviour for someone following the Ministry of Christ and the Apostles as is), and how did the conversation on highly dubious regimes supported by the U.S. by military power lead to this?

Tucker Carlsen, a commentator for Fox, making accusations about Kamala Harris, Democrat VP candidate.
 
Except for men its often said in an admiring way.

If you're getting your inputs from pieces of ****, sure. But pieces of **** say all sorts of piece of **** things. Including about younger men that hook up with older, more powerful women, useful to their career. Or even just in life.
 
Dirty laundry? A brief relationship with a man who was separated from his wife qualifies as dirty laundry? That allows you to claim shes a sociopath who uses her sexuality to advance her career. BS.
No. She just seems fake. Hard-nosed prosecutor suddenly turned compassionate & all of a sudden enlightened about drug reform. She's down for power, doesn't care about people. She's a fit with Biden in that regard.

Trump is next level to both of them in terms of being self-serving but I'm not going to get all excited about the lesser of two evils.

Although, all the sexist slander is almost certainly loathsome, unbecoming mudslinging by certain media icons with absolutely no integrity or credibility, I, too, do remain unconvinced about the part of her ideological "epiphany," from a hard law-and-order, pro-police state, pro-private prison (slave labour) quota prosecutor to any sort of Social Progressive. I am completely unconvinced there, and I believe it's a vile hoodwink by the Biden Campaign.
 
Although, all the sexist slander is almost certainly loathsome, unbecoming mudslinging by certain media icons with absolutely no integrity or credibility, I, too, do remain unconvinced about the part of her ideological "epiphany," from a hard law-and-order, pro-police state, pro-private prison (slave labour) quota prosecutor to any sort of Social Progressive. I am completely unconvinced there, and I believe it's a vile hoodwink by the Biden Campaign.

No doubt but since the Trump campaign can't convincingly criticise her on those grounds given their own record they are dragging up personal relationships from long ago and casting doubts on her eligibility to stand as the child of immigrants although she was born in the US.
 
So it's okay to dismiss any journalistic source based on the reader not liking it?

This has made a lot of my arguments against right-wing or otherwise conservative media easier :p

Huffington Post is very biased and not always the best quality.

They're not ranked that well, better than fox news though.

They're not as extreme as Fox and they lean in the opposite direction.

If I was writing a university paper I wouldn't use them as a source unless the paper was about media bias or something similar.

Right on the edge of unreliable.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/
 
Last edited:
Croatia raided federal army depots.
Yes, and Croatian ‘expatriate’ paramilitaries were being trained outside the country. The Reagan administration had decided to dissolve the country one way or another and everybody there decided to help along.
One of the most ridiculous incidents was the US opposing a redrawing of borders because they didn't want a Muslim state in Europe (what would have happened if actual ethnic lines had been used to draw the new borders instead of those of the constituent republics) and later on did back the Albanian uprising in FYRo Macedonia which could have been avoided had borders been drawn correctly from the start or, you know, had there not been an unnecessary war in the first place.
My understanding is that she did indeed have the relationship with the dude in question, and it was indeed, at least in part, according to his understanding, to further her career. My feeling on it is... So what? My understanding is that Kuwait was "slant-drilling" Iraq's oil and Saddam was attempting to "annex" them to reclaim the stolen oil. As you probably know, Slant-drilling is when you have no oil under your land but your neighbor does, so you tunnel from your land to his and "drink his milkshake". Slant-drilling will get you killed in Texas.
As always, the Simpsons provide a fine example:
latest

Sommerswerd said:
Tucker Carlson needs to STFU. Hes gonna eff things up for everybody, especially Republican men all over the country if he creates this zeitgeist whereby women think there is something wrong with sexing a man up to get him to do what you want... half the sex you get is because your partner is buttering you up.
It'd be hilarious if Tucker Carlson were to be blamed for causing a modern-day Lysistrata scenario.
 
No doubt but since the Trump campaign can't convincingly criticise her on those grounds given their own record they are dragging up personal relationships from long ago and casting doubts on her eligibility to stand as the child of immigrants although she was born in the US.

Which is ironic as usually it's the opposite - that as the child of immigrants surely they're more loyal to their parents' countries and should go back there immediately.
 
Which is ironic as usually it's the opposite - that as the child of immigrants surely they're more loyal to their parents' countries and should go back there immediately.

Although Native American/Inuit/Yupik/Aleut/Ethnic Hawai'an/Samoan/Chamorro activists going on about their parent country and heritage are not viewed the same as native born (themselves and parents) European Americans. Funny how that works...
 
If you're getting your inputs from pieces of ****, sure. But pieces of **** say all sorts of piece of **** things. Including about younger men that hook up with older, more powerful women, useful to their career. Or even just in life.

Which is quite a lot of the press.
Still even in the relatively staid UK press I've seen women politicians criticised for looking too attractive, being lesbians, being single, being divorced, being childless, having children, the list goes on. Female politicians personal lives are much more a subject of attack than male politicians.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom