2020 US Election (Part Two)

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The ship is already on auto-pilot, meaning that Biden cannot do anything different. He does try to have the same strategy he had in the primaries, and this may even work (up to and including having no debates or just one debate with Trump).
But not doing anything and just expecting the win by default, can always prove catastrophic. Which brings us back to the first point: Biden doesn't do anything not because he decided not to, but due to being unable to do something even if he wanted to.
And two months is a LONG time: any slow gains by Trump can be disastrous by November.
 
Michael Moore predicts a Trump win, again!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

I am not so sure, I cannot speak for the yankee-doodles, but if Michael Moore personally 'holier
than thou' style canvassed me, I'd likely tell him I was voting for Donald Trump, just to piss him off.
I like Michael Moore, dunno why he gets so much hate besides that he's fat and likes to hear himself talk. He comes across genuine to me. Far more genuine than any of the Democratic candidates since Gore.
 
The ship is already on auto-pilot, meaning that Biden cannot do anything different. He does try to have the same strategy he had in the primaries, and this may even work (up to and including having no debates or just one debate with Trump).
I think in all of the progressive backlash to Biden that the key to his success has been overlooked. Bernie's bet was that the youth wanted progressive change and would turn out to see that happen. It's unclear to what extent he was right about appetite for progressive change because in the end the youth simply didn't turn out. Biden's bet was that people A) want Trump gone and B) want the ship of state to be stabilized instead of radically changed. He was right in as much at least that people did turn out in big numbers to vote for him.

I think we here at CFC tend to overlook that right now the US is fundamentally a center-right country and despite all the enthusiasm for progressive political action, at the end of the day there either isn't really enough support for progressive candidates or at least if there is, those voters simply don't show up. That may be a function of voter suppression and the fact that young voters have a hard time taking work off to vote or whatever but it still is what it is.

So basically, I think it's premature to write off Biden because he's too centrist and moderate when that actually seems to be what majority of actual voters want even if it's not what the vocal social media contingent want. He basically ignored woke twitter in its entirety and still pretty much crushed Bernie at the election as much as that sucks.

I also don't think there is currently a compelling reason for Biden to do anything different because of all of the above. He's basically aligned with the majority of actual voters at the moment and trying to pander more to the progressive wing of the party that didn't turn out for the progressive candidate won't necessarily win them over because most of those folks also want Trump out more than any other policy initiatives. On the other hand, playing to those progressives will likely alienate the centrists liberals into not voting.

The needle Biden has to thread now is showing support for the BLM movement while avoiding playing into the 'pro-anarchy' narrative that Trump is trying to paint him with. That is not an easy task, especially since Democrats have long worn the mantle of 'soft on crime' foisted on them by the right.


And having written that screed, I feel compelled to point out again that I voted for Bernie in 2016 and he was my second choice (behind Warren) this time around. While I am critical of him at times, overall he was by far my preference to Biden. The above isn't so much a strong endorsement of Biden or a damnation of Bernie, just my assessment of where things actually stand.

I like Michael Moore, dunno why he gets so much hate
He's a vocal progressive and that's reason enough for the Hannity crowd.
 
I like Michael Moore,

I like Michael Moore, I even bought one of his books; but only in small doses.

And there is a difference between people explaining how they see things,
and telling you what to do. One can respect the former even if one differs,
but even if one agrees, I for one are naturally averse to doing the latter.
 
I didn't see anything CHRISTIAN (as in the actual Ministry and Message of Salvation of Christ) about the whole conversation, and no devout Christian properly following Christian doctrine is any associated with anything that can be called "fundamentalist wingnuttery." I'm really sick of disgusting, evil crap always being pinned on Christianity as a religion, and always having it said, by BOTH Republicans and many of their political opponents that the GOP represents, even epitomizes a religion of life, love, charity, and forgiveness. If you don't understand the source, please don't speak so cavalierly on it.

Calvinist doctrine (the core ideology within "Evangelical Protestant Christian Fundamentalism,") is actually HIGHLY blasphemous and heretical by the standard of the Ministry of Christ as laid down clearly in the New Testament.
the history of Christianity speaks for itself. And, there are probably a few hundred which claim the mantle of authority over all the others. Your version of Christian truth is one version that ties itself to Truth through someone's interpretation of the scriptures they think/thought were more important than other parts of scripture. If it serves you well, excellent. If it serves your relations with others well, even better. Beyond that, it is mostly smoke and mirrors.

I'm finishing my degree in two years. If Trump wins I'll certainly be looking to get a job outside the US. Whether I'll succeed or not, I don't know, but I'll try.
My wife has said that if Trump wins, she wants to leave. We'd just have to find a place she likes.
 
Good god the entire CFC-OT and Other Games section will really move here into Buenos Aires.
 
I think in all of the progressive backlash to Biden that the key to his success has been overlooked. Bernie's bet was that the youth wanted progressive change and would turn out to see that happen. It's unclear to what extent he was right about appetite for progressive change because in the end the youth simply didn't turn out. Biden's bet was that people A) want Trump gone and B) want the ship of state to be stabilized instead of radically changed. He was right in as much at least that people did turn out in big numbers to vote for him.

I think we here at CFC tend to overlook that right now the US is fundamentally a center-right country and despite all the enthusiasm for progressive political action, at the end of the day there either isn't really enough support for progressive candidates or at least if there is, those voters simply don't show up. That may be a function of voter suppression and the fact that young voters have a hard time taking work off to vote or whatever but it still is what it is.

So basically, I think it's premature to write off Biden because he's too centrist and moderate when that actually seems to be what majority of actual voters want even if it's not what the vocal social media contingent want. He basically ignored woke twitter in its entirety and still pretty much crushed Bernie at the election as much as that sucks.

I also don't think there is currently a compelling reason for Biden to do anything different because of all of the above. He's basically aligned with the majority of actual voters at the moment and trying to pander more to the progressive wing of the party that didn't turn out for the progressive candidate won't necessarily win them over because most of those folks also want Trump out more than any other policy initiatives. On the other hand, playing to those progressives will likely alienate the centrists liberals into not voting.

The needle Biden has to thread now is showing support for the BLM movement while avoiding playing into the 'pro-anarchy' narrative that Trump is trying to paint him with. That is not an easy task, especially since Democrats have long worn the mantle of 'soft on crime' foisted on them by the right.


And having written that screed, I feel compelled to point out again that I voted for Bernie in 2016 and he was my second choice (behind Warren) this time around. While I am critical of him at times, overall he was by far my preference to Biden. The above isn't so much a strong endorsement of Biden or a damnation of Bernie, just my assessment of where things actually stand.


He's a vocal progressive and that's reason enough for the Hannity crowd.

This is what I've been saying for a long time. America isn't liberal. To wait n you have to trend to the center.n

Hell here with proportional voting, no gerrymandering or any restrictions in boring the youth still don't go out and vote.

We have a Labour party trending towards the center.

They only got 42% last time with labour+greens.

The right here is bleeding support and the center left was polling 60-65%. Support for the Greens has barely changed so they're picking up a lot of centrist and even right wing votes.

Pandering to the woke crowd will actually get you less votes as you bleet support from the center and even left of center.


Locally it's very pale and male at local government. Only 10-20% vote in local bodies and the youth turnout is even lower than national elections.

Bidens polling way higher than Hilary ever did. He can't pander to the woke Twitter mob. He might lose but it won't be because of not pandering to them.

Basically there's not enough progressives virtually anywhere to win an election. Progressives plus left of center plus a few centrist voters can win.
 
I like Michael Moore, I even bought one of his books; but only in small doses.

And there is a difference between people explaining how they see things,
and telling you what to do. One can respect the former even if one differs,
but even if one agrees, I for one are naturally averse to doing the latter.

I like him in small doses, he can be entertaining.

To preachy though to get support from where it's needed.
 
the history of Christianity speaks for itself. And, there are probably a few hundred which claim the mantle of authority over all the others. Your version of Christian truth is one version that ties itself to Truth through someone's interpretation of the scriptures they think/thought were more important than other parts of scripture. If it serves you well, excellent. If it serves your relations with others well, even better. Beyond that, it is mostly smoke and mirrors.

My wife has said that if Trump wins, she wants to leave. We'd just have to find a place she likes.

I would suggest Canada or NZ.

You'll need half a million to a million dollars and/or a 6 figure income to really enjoy it here though.

$350-700k USD to buy a house.

If you can't buy a house and don't have 6 figure income I wouldn't recommend NZ.
 
I like him in small doses, he can be entertaining.

To preachy though to get support from where it's needed.

He seemed to be speaking specifically to the left there though and if he can get some voters out who otherwise wouldn't vote for Biden because Biden isn't progressive enough for them good for him.
 
He seemed to be speaking specifically to the left there though and if he can get some voters out who otherwise wouldn't vote for Biden because Biden isn't progressive enough for them good for him.

This is weird. I got a notice about this post saying you had quoted me - but you quoted @Zardnaar. Is that some weird glitch?
 
He seemed to be speaking specifically to the left there though and if he can get some voters out who otherwise wouldn't vote for Biden because Biden isn't progressive enough for them good for him.

Just read the Mike Moore thing.
I don't think the BLM protests are actually helping the left atm let alone the riots.
 
This is weird. I got a notice about this post saying you had quoted me - but you quoted @Zardnaar. Is that some weird glitch?

There was a post of yours that I considered replying to and decided not to. When I replied to Zardnaar I forgot to delete it. When the post came up I noticed the post of yours was still quoted and deleted it. My mistake, sorry.

Just read the Mike Moore thing.
I don't think the BLM protests are actually helping the left atm let alone the riots.

I did. He doesn't mention BLM at all, just talks about how liberals can't afford to be complacent and need to vote for Biden.
 
There was a post of yours that I considered replying to and decided not to. When I replied to Zardnaar I forgot to delete it. When the post came up I noticed the post of yours was still quoted and deleted it. My mistake, sorry.



I did. He doesn't mention BLM at all, just talks about how liberals can't afford to be complacent and need to vote for Biden.

I think Biden will win.

More rioting and BLM type stuff I expect support to swing a bit more towards Trump.
 
I would suggest Canada or NZ.

You'll need half a million to a million dollars and/or a 6 figure income to really enjoy it here though.

$350-700k USD to buy a house.

If you can't buy a house and don't have 6 figure income I wouldn't recommend NZ.
My wife would like Canada. I would not. Too cold and too long a winter for me. NZ would be fun. It is a bit far from the grandchildren in St. Louis though. I'd want to rent rather than buy since It would only be a 4-5 year stay. The south island might be more to our liking. I'd like Spain or Southern France.
 
My wife would like Canada. I would not. Too cold and too long a winter for me. NZ would be fun. It is a bit far from the grandchildren in St. Louis though. I'd want to rent rather than buy since It would only be a 4-5 year stay. The south island might be more to our liking. I'd like Spain or Southern France.

Oh if it's not forever yeah rent but that's hard atm as well.

House prices doubled in 5 years some areas.

Spain's cheap, not sure about southern France. Guess it's cheap outside the cities but idk.

Would probably recommend Christchurch in the South Island, just be very careful about buying a house older than pre 2011 earthquake.
 
One thing about the Biden-Sanders thing that I think ends up getting overlooked is the zeal of the wings of the party—Republicans too—tends to be disproportionately louder and more attention-grabbing than the majority.

12 years ago it was RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL if you opened your browser. Then the primaries open and he gets 10%. Sanders performed better, but the above still applies.
 
One thing about the Biden-Sanders thing that I think ends up getting overlooked is the zeal of the wings of the party—Republicans too—tends to be disproportionately louder and more attention-grabbing than the majority.

12 years ago it was RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL if you opened your browser. Then the primaries open and he gets 10%. Sanders performed better, but the above still applies.

That and echo chambers.

One year here it was "all my friends voting greens/labour".

We live in a labour stronghold university city. National wins election and they couldn't figure it out.

They don't count Labour votes here they weigh them.
 
Well, a pandemic causing a recession causing people to lose health insurance? Who knew health care could be so complicated?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/politics/coronavirus-health-insurance-trump.html
WASHINGTON — The coronavirus pandemic stripped an estimated 5.4 million American workers of their health insurance between February and May, a stretch in which more adults became uninsured because of job losses than have ever lost coverage in a single year, according to a new analysis.
 
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