2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Farm Boy]

As you well know, the statement applies equally to both the uppercase and lowercase varieties

Mediums, Lights, or Reds BTW? I'm pretty sure I can elimminate Ultras, because... well... you're not a pansy... and I think Greens and Light Greens are out... cause you're not Black

Heh! It was Lights, but I wasn't very picky. Greens and Light Greens weren't really my thing, but I'd smoke them. I used to like to play gas station roulette, where you'd just ask for a pack of whatever the attendant smoked. I quit playing after I rolled Kools twice in a row. Eventually went to hand rolling to slow down how many I would go through in the car. Hey, it's been five and a half years!

 

[Modder_Mode]

Yea its been **** all around of course one side went with the science when they realized the seriousness of the situation and the other is bathing in blood for the economics of it. Openly, without remorse or shame. Its disgusting and supporting it is sdigusting. good job.

Yes, after all those "stances and comments" totally matter because the Democrats control the federal gov - oh wait

It is funny though that you aren't even bothering to try to defend Trump, just saying that the Democrats are no better

Then why did it bother you so much when Trump was running for President and didn't control the federal government? To you maybe it doesn't matter what the opposition do, but I personally believe it is very important what the opposition say and do when in opposition especially in an election year, after all they will at some point come to power.

 

[Commodore]

Yes, after all those "stances and comments" totally matter because the Democrats control the federal gov - oh wait

Most of the response has been carried out at the state and local level though. And the areas with the most severe outbreaks are almost all Democrat controlled cities.

But hey, that doesn't suit your narrative of "evil Republican overlords" and the "plucky, noble Democrat underdogs" fighting bravely against them, so feel free to ignore these facts.

 

[AdrienIer]

All over the world the deaths have mostly come in denser and poorer areas. Democrats do better in those areas. "the most severe outbreaks are almost all democrat controlled cities" is intellectually dishonest.

 

[Lexicus]

Most of the response has been carried out at the state and local level though. And the areas with the most severe outbreaks are almost all Democrat controlled cities.

But hey, that doesn't suit your narrative of "evil Republican overlords" and the "plucky, noble Democrat underdogs" fighting bravely against them, so feel free to ignore these facts.

Uh, actually, it does, because it suggests that the federal government is doing virtually nothing! Which was my point in the first place!

 

[El_Machinae]

If you vote twice and get caught both votes are still valid?

If you get caught during the reconciliation of accounts, but already cast your vote? Yes. There's no way to tell which vote was fraudulent, because they're anonymous. Trump would get fraudulent votes

Edit: xpost. But now we know why Trump was endorsing the behaviour

 

[Commodore]

Uh, actually, it does, because it suggests that the federal government is doing virtually nothing! Which was my point in the first place!

Expecting the federal government to handle this shows your fundamental lack of understanding of your own country. These kinds of situations are largely the responsibility of state and local government, not the federal government. So if you are unhappy with how the pandemic is being handled, look at your local officials for someone to blame. Or rather, look at yourself since you likely voted for the officials that are now bungling the situation.

 

[El_Machinae]

The entire campaign to stop Donald Trump being elected president was that he was "a racist, a liar, a misogynist, a rapist, a rich white male, a fascist, and a creep". Joe Biden is all these things and more, so if the campaign against Trump was based off these things why is Joe Biden running for president for the Democrats?

It's an orders of magnitude thing. And weirdly, the way you frame your posts on the topic, it comes across as a defense of Trump's behavior instead of attack on Biden's. Because of the orders of magnitude difference comparing Trump's faults to Biden's just doesn't work.

I'm not defending Biden, I am pushing back against an implicit defense of Trump

 

[EnglishEdward]

All over the world the deaths have mostly come in denser and poorer areas.

I understand that has always been the case with pandemics. Historically large cities e.g. Rome/London had excess death rates and were
dependent upon inward migration for population replenishment. This changed with the development of aqueducts and sewage systems.

Democrats do better in those areas.

Yes, the Democratic party seems to do better in those areas in the United States.

"the most severe outbreaks are almost all democrat controlled cities" is intellectually dishonest.

The "quoted" statement is either true or false.

If it is true, it is not intellectually dishonest.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Think about it Cloud, you yourself on these very forums accused or agreed with others those very things leveled at Donald Trump, will you be voting for Joe Biden?
All it proves is that the campaign against Trump wasn't the real reason most people and the elites didn't want him President.

You and other conservatives can't defend trump so instead you focus on Biden even though trump is worse in regards to every allegation made.

Your attempts are laughable; like I'm actually cringing here

 

[Lexicus]

Expecting the federal government to handle this shows your fundamental lack of understanding of your own country. These kinds of situations are largely the responsibility of state and local government, not the federal government. So if you are unhappy with how the pandemic is being handled, look at your local officials for someone to blame. Or rather, look at yourself since you likely voted for the officials that are now bungling the situation.

I knew you would try some variation of "it's not the federal government's job to handle a pandemic," because you're very predictable , but I did not expect this large dollop of condescension to go with the pro-death argument.

 

[Modder_Mode]

All over the world the deaths have mostly come in denser and poorer areas. Democrats do better in those areas. "the most severe outbreaks are almost all democrat controlled cities" is intellectually dishonest.

Which still makes democrat policy incompetent in those areas, we are going to use the same standards as Trumps aren't we?

 

[EgonSpengler]

When it comes to who's responsible for (mis)managing the outbreaks, it's obviously more than just the government. We see outbreaks being traced to big gatherings, such as the Biogen conference at the hotel in downtown Boston in February, that they now think was a "superspreader" event. They're now looking at that motorcycle festival last month. Glancing at maps of the outbreaks (NBC News' map, for example), I don't see a discernible pattern vis-a-vis political leanings, but I'm finding it hard to locate useful information with just a quick Google search. I suspect that's partly because the information is so incomplete. (You know why the 1918 influenza outbreak was called the "Spanish Flu"? Because it was just about the only country at the time whose journalists and scientists were free to report infections and deaths, because they weren't involved in the war. Almost every other country was suppressing reports of infections and deaths in their military and civilian populations.) I heard someone on the radio claim that Donald Trump was against doing more testing before the election because that would make the infection numbers go up; I couldn't tell if they were reporting something he actually said or just saying "he's such a [tool]", but it seemed kinda plausible.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The US federal goverment clearly has certain responsibilities, particularly in terms of controlling the
admission of people to the United States and supervising cross state travel such as internal flights; and
elsewhere in terms of federally funded and administered programs as established under federal law.

But what else goes on within the state itself would seem to be more the responsibility of state government.

 

[Lexicus]

But what else goes on within the state itself would seem to be more the responsibility of state government.

No. Controlling a pandemic is something that is impossible for state governments to approach alone. Claims that it is not the federal government's responsibility are generally from either morons who are trapped in the 1920s (or worse, the 1850s), or disingenuously being made by those who want to absolve Trump of blame for the situation in the US.

 

[AdrienIer]

Which still makes democrat policy incompetent in those areas, we are going to use the same standards as Trumps aren't we?

No, it means that a city will get more cases anyway so "they get more cases" isn't a good metric to determine whether that city was competent. On the other hand, the country in general getting more cases than other (sometimes denser or more vulnerable) ones is a sign that there's a problem in the country. The US government actively tried to undo what the states were implementing and that's on the Trump administration

 

[EnglishEdward]

No. Controlling a pandemic is something that is impossible for state governments to approach alone.

Not sure why you are saying that to me. I have not said that controlling a pandemic is something that is possible for a state government to approach alone.

My points remains that what happens within states is primarily the responsibility of the state.

Claims that it is not the federal government's responsibility are generally from either morons who are trapped in the 1920s (or worse, the 1850s), or disingenuously being made by those who want to absolve Trump of blame for the situation in the US.

I am not saying that the federal government does not have responsibilities.

 

[El_Machinae]

If you get caught during the reconciliation of accounts, but already cast your vote? Yes. There's no way to tell which vote was fraudulent, because they're anonymous. Trump would get fraudulent votes

Edit: xpost. But now we know why Trump was endorsing the behaviour

I seem to be wrong, according to CNBC

"Because absentee ballots and early voting ballots are retrievable, if someone tries to get around the system, their ballot can be retrieved and not counted, so it will not affect the outcome of an election."

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, how does vote-by-mail work in the US? Don't you have to be registered, as when voting at the station?
And if so, how is registration right verified by mail/online?

Given almost half the electorate (?) doesn't vote anyway, would it be very difficult/impossible to forge votes of people you (for whatever reason) know don't plan to vote?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Heh! It was Lights

Heh! An aristocrat!

Joking aside... I'd definitely wager that Lights are the preferred variety on most college campuses.

Agree on the thumbs-down for Kools. Newport is the phrase that pays, Greens and Light Greens were the backup if Newports were sold out. But the real test is whether you can stomach Winstons or not, any variety.

Nothing beats the flavor of hand-rolled, though...