2020 US Election (Part Two)

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https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff.../#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=all

The graph doesn't show the mandate's specific popularity, but it does show the ACA had its lowest approval and highest opposition in and around 2014 when the mandate took effect. When Trump took office the ACA became more popular but at 2 points in 2017 the rates nearly became equal as people reacted negatively to failed efforts at repealing the mandate.

The 2nd time (Sept 2017) reflected congressional failure to address the mandate, so Congress changed the penalty to $0 and the ACA saw a significant boost in popularity rising from 46 to 54 in 5 months and the mandate was repealed in Nov 2017. This will hurt Biden, I dont know why he thinks the mandate will be more popular this time around.
 
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plus, you know, the lugenpresse
It's Lügenpresse, the ‘lying press’. Lugen, without the umlaut, just means to see or look, while lügen, with an umlaut, is to lie, tell falsehoods.
 
I found this from politifact

Trump said the individual mandate is "highly unpopular." As recently as February 2017, a YouGov poll found that 65 percent of people opposed it, a finding that is consistent with earlier polls from other organizations. That’s a fair sign of the provision’s unpopularity.

However

On the other hand, when people were given more details about the mandate, they had a more favorable view, as high as about 60 percent.

And in the context of repealing the Affordable Care Act, the most recent polls found the public generally split 50/50 on whether to keep the mandate in force.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...p/how-unpopular-obamacare-individual-mandate/

The problem is those details and other polls muddy the water by tying the mandate to the ACA's survivability.

Do you like the mandate? No.
But the ACA will die without the mandate: harumph, okay

The ACA didn't die and getting rid of the worst part of it actually strengthened the ACA's survivability.

The mandate also saw an increase in popularity when more people found out they wouldn't need to pay the tax. Dont tax me, tax that guy behind the tree. In this case that guy behind the tree cant afford the insurance but isn't poor enough for a subsidy.
 
The ACA was a net hold? I mean, I'm old enough and dependent enough on medical insurance to disagree.
 
There is a whole host of dodgy autocrats and sordid little El Presidentes to choose from which do a far better job of describing Trump and his sycophants.
But Americans don't know them. Hitler it is, for all your disparagement needs.
 
His handling of the situation didn't kill them, they simply killed themselves for refusing to wear a mask.

Yeah this...isn't how this works.
 
The ACA was a net hold? I mean, I'm old enough and dependent enough on medical insurance to disagree.

What, you mean the mandated giveaway to for-profit insurance companies actually isn't a piece of radical left-wing legislation?? I'm shocked
 
The ACA was a net hold? I mean, I'm old enough and dependent enough on medical insurance to disagree.
Slight left at best, but during the Obama administration there was also the hijacking of a judicial nomination which pulls the net result heavily rightwards.
 
No, it wasn't radical left wing. It would probably have been a steaming turd if it was radical left wing. But it was a rather large shift from where we were.
 
…which really gets us to my earlier point about how politics on such issues have shifted so brutally rightwars that having any healthcare at all is ‘left-wing’ and asking for basic coverage is, to quote Fox News headlines ‘liberal lunacy’.
 
This is what packing courts and low-to-mid-level local officials results in…

Trump 2016 campaign 'targeted 3.5m black Americans to deter them from voting'
Secret effort allegedly focused on 16 swing states, several narrowly won by Trump after the black Democrat vote collapsed

Spoiler :
Donald Trump’s 2016 US presidential election campaign has been accused of actively seeking to deter 3.5 million black Americans in battleground states from voting by deliberately targeting them with negative Hillary Clinton ads on Facebook.

The secret effort concentrated on 16 swing states, several narrowly won by Trump after the black Democrat vote collapsed.

The claims have come from an investigation by Channel 4 News, which was leaked a copy of a vast election database it says was used by the Trump campaign in 2016.

Comprising the records of 198 million Americans, and containing details about their domestic and economic status acquired from market research firms, the investigation claimed voters were segmented into eight categories.

One was marked “deterrence”. Those placed in the special category – voters thought likely to vote for Clinton or not at all – were disproportionately black.

According to the investigation, the Trump campaign’s goal was to dissuade them from backing the Democrat entirely by targeting them with “dark adverts” on their Facebook feeds, which heavily attacked Clinton and, in some cases, argued she lacked sympathy with African Americans.

The effort is said to have been devised in part by Cambridge Analytica, the notorious election consultant that ceased trading last year following revelations that it used dirty tricks to help win elections around the world and had gained unauthorised access to tens of millions of Facebook profiles.

In Michigan, a state that Trump won by 10,000 votes, 15% of voters are black. But they represented 33% of the special deterrence category in the secret database, meaning black voters were apparently disproportionately targeted by anti-Clinton ads.

In Wisconsin, where the Republicans won by 30,000, 5.4% of voters are black, but 17% of the deterrence group. According the Channel 4, that amounted to more than a third of black voters in the state overall, all placed in the group to be sent anti-Clinton material on their Facebook feeds.

Attacks ads that were used by Trump’s digital campaign included one known as the “super-predator” commercial, featuring a video clip of controversial remarks made by Clinton in 1996, which the Republicans claimed referred to African Americans.

Arguing that it was necessary “to have an organised effort against gangs”, and their members Clinton said: “They are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators – no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel.”

The Democrat apologised for using those words shortly after being confronted by Black Lives Matter activists about them in February 2016, but the language was picked up by Trump during the campaign and heavily recycled online.

Another attack ad reportedly came from a political action committee also run by Cambridge Analytica. It features a young black woman who appears to be a Clinton supporter abandoning her script to say: “I just don’t believe what I’m saying.”

When reminded that she is an actor, she replies that she is “not that good” of an actor

Jamal Watkins, the vice president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), said it was shocking and troubling that there was a covert attempt to suppress the black vote in 2016.

“So, we use data – similar to voter file data – but it’s to motivate, persuade and encourage folks to participate. We don’t use the data to say who can we deter and keep at home. That just seems, fundamentally, it’s a shift from the notion of democracy,” Watkins told Channel 4.

It is estimated that 2 million black voters across the US who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 did not turn out for Hillary Clinton. In Wisconsin, Trump’s vote matched Mitt Romney’s in 2012, but Clinton lost because her vote collapsed. The Democrat polled 230,000 votes fewer than Obama.

Key to the Trump victory was putting off black voters in cities like Milwaukee, Wisconsin. In one city ward, where 80% of its 1,440 voters were black, almost half or 44% of the ward was marked as for deterrence, a total of 636 people, 90% of whom were black.

Many other factors accounted for Clinton’s defeat, including legislation that was accused of suppressing the black vote.

Again, in Wisconsin, the Republican-run state has introduced measures requiring citizens to produce valid voter identification, which it was argued disproportionately affected poor and black voters.

The Trump campaign spent $44m (£34m) on Facebook advertising and generated 6m adverts overall. But the passage of time has meant that only a handful of the attack ads used by the Trump campaign have been recorded, and Facebook will not say how many or which ads were used at the time.

The company said that “since 2016, elections have changed and so has Facebook – what happened with Cambridge Analytica couldn’t happen today”. It added that it now has “rules prohibiting voter suppression” and was “running the largest voter information campaign in American history”.

The Trump campaign, the Republican national committee and the White House all declined to comment.

A senior official in the the Trump campaign has previously denied any targeted campaigns against individual groups.
 
It would probably have been a steaming turd if it was radical left wing.

Do you think Jesus would take radical action to bring health care to the uninsured in the US? I seem to recall a part in the Bible where he heals the sick for free and then doesn't send them bills for tens of thousands of shekels, but I may be misremembering. I also am pretty sure he doesn't say "I was sick and you refused to visit me because I had a preexisting condition" at any point.
 
The Rock says absolutely nothing and Kamala and Joe smile fakely and grossly and pretend they're his buds

This terrible dishonesty is surely the greatest crime that has ever been perpetrated upon the Republic! Better vote for Donald Trump because how else can we possibly do justice for this utter travesty of a lie, which is the most consequential issue of any election in American history ever

oh btw here's the actual video where the Rock endorses Biden (which apparently caused Mark Levin to call the Rock a "self-righteous egomaniac")
 
Do you think Jesus would take radical action to bring health care to the uninsured in the US? I seem to recall a part in the Bible where he heals the sick for free and then doesn't send them bills for tens of thousands of shekels, but I may be misremembering. I also am pretty sure he doesn't say "I was sick and you refused to visit me because I had a preexisting condition" at any point.

I'm not actually sure what "radical left wing healthcare" would even look like given that fully nationalised systems with minimal private insurance are acceptable to broad swathes of the right in like a bunch of countries.
 
I'm not actually sure what "radical left wing healthcare" would even look like given that fully nationalised systems with minimal private insurance are acceptable to broad swathes of the right in like a bunch of countries.

Don't be so relaxed about that. Plenty of people salivating at the idea of profiting from healtcare. They just don't can get it privatized suddenly. Pesky democracy...
 
This is what packing courts and low-to-mid-level local officials results in…

Secret effort allegedly focused on 16 swing states, several narrowly won by Trump after the black Democrat vote collapsed

Attacks ads that were used by Trump’s digital campaign included one known as the “super-predator” commercial, featuring a video clip of controversial remarks made by Clinton in 1996, which the Republicans claimed referred to African Americans.

Arguing that it was necessary “to have an organised effort against gangs”, and their members Clinton said: “They are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators – no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel.”

The Democrat apologised for using those words shortly after being confronted by Black Lives Matter activists about them in February 2016, but the language was picked up by Trump during the campaign and heavily recycled online.

So BLM brought it to our attention, ty BLM. If Trump had said that wouldn't Democrats run ads using the same quote? I thought it was a given parties do their homework to get out the vote that helps while deterring the vote that hurts.



 
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