A Rebuke

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North King

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And do what I've often done before: I will take a round three months or so off of NESing entirely. This is not good for my health; I am up to my neck in homework; I am having so many extracurriculars that the leaders are beginning to get mad at me whenever I have to prioritize one over another; I am, in fact, trending somewhat more towards insanity than usual. Even more so, this is the worst year to be slacking off on: in only a few month's time, I'll start applying to college, and if I'm to get into one of my dream schools, then I must actually work (something I've rarely ever done before). Classes are more and more difficult this year, and I've been falling further and further behind.

But it's not just me.

This forum, as a whole, is failing. Failing at keeping my interest, failing at keeping my dedication. Mods are scarce these days (good mods, I should say), and their job isn't eased by little buzzing players who do their best to try and annoy them into an early grave. Worse, from my perspective, is the fact that fresh starts are dying. Iggy's and Farow's NESes are the only ones I can believe with confidence will survive more than a few months, and they have hit some slow times. The rest of them are either failing in surviving past their troubled births, or worse, miscarried in the first place.

Then you have the fact that it seems like all the majority wants is a modern game, which I never really liked: why on earth do we insist on replaying the same old scenarios over and over? Why do we have to see France / England / Russia / Germany / Japan / America dominate the world again? It's not going to change much: a few players might be different, the era might be off by a few hundred years, but alternate histories on this forum are by now, clones of each other. I respect others and their effort, but his effort is the only truly creative force on this forum, at least consistently: he is the only one whose timelines actually vary from the standard. Yet even he cannot be god, despite what some may think: alternate histories will not change, will not become interesting, until we have a truly alternate history, one which doesn't replay over again, and we need new brains and new ideas for that. That, I fear, is something that will be a long time in coming.

Lastly, we come to this somewhat nasty little diatribe, which I hope you'll forgive me for. The players in today's NESes are simply awful. We're lazy, slow, and mediocre to a fault. We send in orders late, if at all, we complain when the update is not exactly when he said it would be. Not all NESers, no, but the majority of them are whiny brats who have been spoiled by too many good mods. I can see why most of the old generation left: there's no real spirit in NESing today. Yes, roll your eyes if you must, for I am going into that moronic metaphysical crap.

NESers don't play to create these days, they don't play for love of what we do here. The average player desires nothing more than an all-out wargame romp, where they can endlessly throw their soldiers around the room ad hoc, without any kind of logic behind their actions. They want to go on conquering until they are defeated, boast about their great victories, then write hundred word, three paragraph "stories", then claiming that they are obviously not playing to win, for otherwise they wouldn't have written them. This is, of course, garbage. Players don't care about their nations. They don't care enough to invest time, anyway, nor real thought. The suicidal stands and charges, the random backstabbing, the constant attempts to claim the other person is being "unrealistic" when, indeed they themselves have thrown all sense out the window: it's getting ridiculous, and that's what defines this generation of NESing. (Don't bother trying to provoke me into arguing this paragraph; what's done is done, and little you or I can do will change it.)

Some people will say NESing is "flourishing", but that's only if a man on a heart-lung machine who still has a few spasms of brain activity can be called "healthy". NESing is a saddening arena, and I get depressed every time I log on the forum. It has to stop, and I am stopping it. Right now. Hence, for three months or so, I will say good bye (and I would not be surprised if people said good riddance in return).

In three months, though, if I still remember the URL, I should be returning... Because I have one last thing to do before I "die" on this forum.

Farewell. I wish luck to the mods.
 
AS someone who has only been here a year, the "glory days" of NESIng were before my time. I do understand your point though NK and it does have merit. I applaud you for engaging RL and RL responsibilities end as you are missed. If I survive modding my game, maybe I will start a "fresh start" game when you get back. I've been thinking about how to adapt the rules.

As to the problem you talk about. New NESers need experienced ones to guide them how to play and without that guidance play will not improve. That is the real value of the "old timers". Mke the most of your time away and come back refreshed and ready to play. :)
 
Seems more an indictment to me, personally.

I've never been a fan of these grandstanding "I'm leaving" posts, and I have conversed with you enough to know you're pretty much set in your ways regardless of what's said, so I'm not going to argue any of these points (most of which I don't agree with, a few of which I do) although I'm very sorely tempted to do so.

Good luck with life.
 
I do agree (somewhat) with the paragraph you don't want to argue about. The crying about people being "unrealistic" was always annoying.
Although I may agree I think I would be one of those people you will be glad to see the back of.
 
Good luck man, hope to see ya in three months (and I hope I'm not one of the warmongers you're talking about, cause I write longer than three paragraph stories when I have decent amount of time, although I won't deny that I play to warmonger to my warlords heart's content)
 
Cannot wait for you to return. The Sky Gods will be waiting when you return. I understand with everything you have said and admit I am also part of the problem.

Good Luck with school and life
 
Truth in your words. I cannot disagree however some people try to change NESing and it seems to fail over and over.

I will have to wait an extra 3 months for that fresh start map I requested I guess.

Goodbye
 
*goes into depressed stage* So another falls victim to eternal death... Alas North King, I remember joining only a week or two after you and now, you leave before your time :cry:

Good Bye.
 
Truth in your words. I cannot disagree however some people try to change NESing and it seems to fail over and over.

I will have to wait an extra 3 months for that fresh start map I requested I guess.

Goodbye

r u referring to my most recent try at an NES.. Cause I admit, it seems to be a complete failure :sad:
 
You know, having figured out "what's coming" for all three refferences, I gotta say its not pretty :].
 
we need new brains and new ideas for that.

If you would check the alternate history thread, you would notice that we already DO have that, at least from the Strategos. Though his althists are yet to be adapted, they all show lots of promise and are VERY original. The problem is more that mods and NESers seem to be generally more interested in the extremes (i.e. the Fresh Start and the Modern World), with everything in between being comparatively rarely brought up (which is one of the reasons I love BirdNES so much).

And in generally I still fail to see how is this forum in decline; IMHO its doing just fine. Don't want to argue here neither, I suppose its more of a matter of faith, and differing definitions and perspective. In other words, no consensus will be reached here.

Anyway, goodbye and goodluck.
 
Then you have the fact that it seems like all the majority wants is a modern game, which I never really liked: why on earth do we insist on replaying the same old scenarios over and over? Why do we have to see France / England / Russia / Germany / Japan / America dominate the world again?

Yes, those damned Europeans and Asians! We're all racists and unoriginals who hate other cultures.

....because we all know it was Mali that sent a man into space, and that it was the Thai who invented democracy. :rolleyes:

Yes, I am sorry you are leaving (don't think it will keep me from pestering you on AIM about '08 and the coming world war, nor from getting any advice for future NESes I am in. :p). We have had this discussion online many times. Some of your points may be valid, but I simply like to blame it on my favorite scapegoats:

the "nooblets". ;)
 
I'd agree with the provision that the term "nooblet" is not to be interpreted literally; many new NESers are NOT nooblets, whereas some old NESers are (don't mean anyone in particular here).
 
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