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As you've been told literally like a dozen times this is not something that actually happens
[RD] Abortion, once again
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As you've been told literally like a dozen times this is not something that actually happens
Broken_Erika
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Texas Supreme Court rejects abortion ban challenge
The Texas Supreme Court has unanimously rejected a challenge from 20 women who said they were denied medically necessary abortions under the state's near-total abortion ban.The plaintiffs, who were joined in the suit by two doctors, had sued Texas for clarity on the ban's sole exception - medical emergencies - arguing it was too vague, leaving patients in danger and doctors in fear of punishment.
But the nine justices on the state's top court disagreed.
"Texas law permits a life-saving abortion," wrote Justice Jane Bland on behalf of the all-Republican court.
“The law permits a physician to intervene to address a woman’s life-threatening physical condition before death or serious physical impairment are imminent," Justice Bland said, as long as a doctor uses "reasonable medical judgment".
Abortions are not permitted for foetuses diagnosed with a "life-limiting" conditions, the court wrote, unless the mother's life is also under threat.
Doctors found in violation of the law face up to 99 years in prison, $100,000 fines and the loss of their medical licenses.
Amanda Zurawski, the named plaintiff in the suit, said the decision felt "like a gut punch".
"Unfortunately the Texas Supreme Court has showed us today that they don't wish to help pregnant Texans access health care and they don't want to help doctors practice medicine," she said in a press call on Friday.
Ms Zurawski was 18 weeks into a much-wanted pregnancy when she experienced preterm prelabour rupture of membranes (PPROM). Doctors told her that her unborn daughter, named Willow, would not survive but refused to perform an abortion as long as there was a foetal heartbeat.
Ms Zurawski developed sepsis and spent days in the intensive care unit.
The other 19 plaintiffs shared similar stories of being denied abortions in Texas despite carrying risky or nonviable pregnancies. Some travelled out of state to obtain the procedure while others said they waited to become "sick enough" that doctors could perform an abortion.
Speaking on Friday, Samantha Casiano, whose foetus did not develop a skull, said she had to watch her baby suffer before dying hours after birth.
"I gave birth to my daughter and I watched my daughter suffocate," she said. "It's just not something that anyone should have to see."
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, an outspoken opponent of abortion, said in a statement that he would continue to defend Texas's laws and do "everything in my power to protect mothers and babies".
Marjorie Dannenfelser, head of the national anti-abortion group Susan B Anthony Pro-Life America also welcomed the ruling, saying that under "all pro-life laws, doctors can provide pregnant women who experience an emergency with proper care".
But Ms Dannenfelser said "what happened to Amanda Zurawski was completely wrong. No woman should suffer and almost lose her life when the law is clear".
The plaintiffs were represented by the pro-choice advocacy group, the Center for Reproductive Rights.
The group said this was the first time pregnant women themselves had taken action against anti-abortion laws since the the US Supreme Court overturned the nationwide right to an abortion in June 2022. Lawsuits filed by women in other states with strict bans, including Idaho and Tennessee, have followed.
"The opinion lays bare the cruel consequences of the Supreme Court’s reversal of Roe v Wade," said the Center's president, Nancy Northup.
In December, the Texas Supreme Court ruled against another woman, Kate Cox, also seeking an abortion for her high-risk pregnancy. Ms Cox ultimately obtained an abortion in another state.
Some observers say this latest ruling could offer an indication of how the US Supreme Court may rule on a similar case, which could determine how close a woman must be to receive an abortion even in states with strict bans.
The case, one with potentially sweeping consequences for emergency rooms across the country, centres on a federal law requiring hospitals to provide stabilising treatment to any patient who arrives with an "emergency medical condition".
A ruling is expected next month.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8881d31j44o
So forcing women to give birth when the doctors know the fetus is non-viable and there's no chance of the baby surviving is "protecting" mothers and babies?
What a sadist. I lack the vocabulary to adequately say what I think of this waste of periodic table elements.
No, it's just made-up nonsense. Happy to debate a lot on here, even the pointless stuff, but this ain't one of them.
Anyhow, no, they're not jailing anyone for thinking about it. You will get jailed for being arsey to the police and causing a disturbance though, regardless of the nature of the cause. The police decide what counts, of course.
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If it helps, the singular anti-abortion activist who was arrested that one time was let go with an apology. No other activist group gets that kind of special favour. Literally none, and they've been arrested a bunch the past couple of years.
So kinda the opposite of what you were trying to snark about originally really.
Lexicus
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All 9 TX supreme court justices should be wearing jumpsuits and breaking rocks
Lexicus
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How a couple found themselves tangled in Texas’ strict abortion laws after miscarriage
A Texas woman needed help passing her incomplete miscarriage and wanted a surgical abortion. Her husband said that two medical centers denied or delayed a...
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This blood is on their hands. This is what the anti-abortion movement supports. These people are sickos.
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*it's the tone isn't it? I speak of the acts legalized, but you want me to phrase it as a positive right, a noun instead of the verbs at issue?
Gotta ask what you read. That's exactly what I said, then you accuse me of not saying it.* I read about the French law before I posted, to make sure the point read at least approximately correct. Did you bother?
*it's the tone isn't it? I speak of the acts legalized, but you want me to phrase it as a positive right, a noun instead of the verbs at issue?
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What is happening with the anti abortion laws in the US red states is that medical necessity is given lip service, but then the actual content of the law prevents doctors from acting on medical necessity.
There has not been a law written, nor proposed, in the US which is making any distinction between choice and necessity. And so Roe should be reinstated and Dobbs declared void.
EnglishEdward
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An interesting insight into the psychology of the American soul.
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For someone who asserts non-medical late term abortions don't actually happen, you spend a lot of time arguing for the law to allow it.
Texas AG threatens to prosecute doctors in emergency abortion
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton on Thursday threatened to prosecute any doctors involved in providing an emergency abortion to a woman, hours after she won a court order allowing her to obtain one for medical necessity.
Paxton said in a letter that the order by District Court Judge Maya Guerra Gamble in Austin did not shield doctors from prosecution under all of Texas's abortion laws, and that the woman, Kate Cox, had not shown she qualified for the medical exception to the state's abortion ban.
Paxton said in a statement accompanying the letter that Guerra Gamble's order "will not insulate hospitals, doctors, or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability for violating Texas' abortion laws."
The letter was sent to three hospitals where Damla Karsan, the doctor who said she would provide the abortion to Cox, has admitting privileges.
"Fearmongering has been Ken Paxton's main tactic in enforcing these abortion bans," Marc Hearron, senior counsel at Center for Reproductive Rights, which represents Cox, said in a statement. "He is trying to bulldoze the legal system to make sure Kate and pregnant women like her continue to suffer."
Cox, 31, of the Dallas-Fort Worth area filed a lawsuit on Tuesday, opens new tab seeking a temporary restraining order preventing Texas from enforcing its near-total ban on abortion in her case, saying her continued pregnancy threatened her health and future fertility. Guerra Gamble said she was granting the order at a hearing Thursday morning.
Alabama doctors who perform abortions could face up to 99 years in prison – the same as rapists and murderers
Under an Alabama bill that was just sent to the governor’s desk, doctors who perform abortions will be the same in the eyes of the law as rapists and murderers.
The most restrictive abortion law in the nation, it outlaws nearly all instances of the procedure, except when it is necessary to prevent a “serious health risk” to the mother or if the “unborn child has a lethal anomaly.”
Any physician who is convicted of performing an abortion in the state would be a Class A felon – the highest level in Alabama.
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Alabama now considers embryos as unborn children, which now makes it more difficult for infertile couples to actually have a child.
The GOP doesn't care in the slightest about abortion except as a tool to reduce a woman's agency over her own body and further control the actions of non-males. The US has the worst death rate for pregnant women and the child they are bearing. If the "children savers" were sincere, they would demand the construction and staffing of thousands of health clinics across the country to improve access to healthcare. Instead they demonize women exercising their right to control their own body.
So let's stop thinking the anti-women crowd cares about children or women. It's about making women second-class citizens who are required to ask permission from the government to do anything.
Most importantly, it's nobody's dam business but the woman and her healthcare provider.
The GOP doesn't care in the slightest about abortion except as a tool to reduce a woman's agency over her own body and further control the actions of non-males. The US has the worst death rate for pregnant women and the child they are bearing. If the "children savers" were sincere, they would demand the construction and staffing of thousands of health clinics across the country to improve access to healthcare. Instead they demonize women exercising their right to control their own body.
So let's stop thinking the anti-women crowd cares about children or women. It's about making women second-class citizens who are required to ask permission from the government to do anything.
Most importantly, it's nobody's dam business but the woman and her healthcare provider.
Lexicus
Deity
Are you actually paying the least bit of attention to how these laws are actually playing out or
