Midnight-Blue766
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hoplitejoe
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It was Friday so we did it fancy dress (the Scots went as ghosts though)
DroopyTofu
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I knew Poland was in North Africa, but I had no idea Illiniois was in the North Atlantic!
Civ'ed
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To stop all this talk about the First world war (although Illiniois amazed me too) I have an alternate map (It haz a date)
Basically, my vision of the world in 2200 AD.
AMERICA
AFRICA:
more later.
Basically, my vision of the world in 2200 AD.
AMERICA
Spoiler :
AFRICA:
Spoiler :
more later.
hoplitejoe
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Please say the british conquered the irish again 
Civ'ed
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Please say the british conquered the irish again
'fraid not. Directly. In fact, the Brits used this thing called bribes.
Traitorfish
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Uh, actually...
Hastily abandoned for battledress the minute the BEF first encountered mustard gas, unfortunately.
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To stop all this talk about the First world war (although Illiniois amazed me too) I have an alternate map (It haz a date)
Basically, my vision of the world in 2200 AD.
AMERICA
Spoiler :
AFRICA:
Spoiler :
more later.
Accepting that this scenario is ASB ridiculous, why would Britain annex Algeria, instead of South Africa or Nigeria or Kenya (etc)? And why wouldn't France get back there before the Brits?
Uh, actually...
You can just hear the bagpipes!
aronnax
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On the 9th of July 2011, a flotilla of 12 Chinese warships encountered 10 Vietnamese armoured vessels in the South China Sea about 53 Kilometres away from the Paracel Islands. Admiral Zhong Shengjun ordered the Vietnamese ships to leave "Chinese territorial waters" or risk being fired upon. The Vietnamese ships refused to withdraw and after 20mins, Admiral Zhong ordered the first shot to be fired onto the Vietnamese ships. After about an hour's worth of exchange in hostilities, the Vietnamese ships withdrew. 51 Vietnamese soldiers died to 240 Chinese soldiers and 2 Chinese ships were sunk to zero Vietnamese ships. Both sides claimed victory.
Both the Chinese and Vietnamese governments attempted to diplomatically resolve the issue in Bangkok but after China's refusal to submit the Paracel Island case to the International Court and issue an apology for starting the battle, the Vietnamese delegation stormed out threatening hostilities. The Paracel War began.
On the 11th of July, Chinese troops crossed into Vietnamese territory only to be repulsed with heavy losses. The Vietnamese counterattacked and succesfully held positions on the Chinese side of the border.
On the 14th of July, a combined delegation of Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines presented to the Chinese Foreign office an ultimatum to cease the disruption of "peace in Eastern Asia" and submit the case to International hearing or face severe repercussions. The Chinese rejected the ultimatum and the next day, on the 15th, the combined delegation, declared war on China in the defense of Vietnam. The Republic of China joined the coalition 5 hours later.
The Shanghai stock market crashed the next day, beginning the 'Great Chinese Depression'.
1st August 2011, 134 kilometres off the coast of Taiwan, the combined fleets of the Coalition of some 34 warships faced the PL Navy of 48 warships. However, due to the air superiority from ROC and Japan and the ability of the Coalition Airplanes to refuel in Taiwan, China suffered a decisive defeat of 24 sunken ships including the maiden voyage of the the Chinese aircraft carrier, the Varyag which was the first ship sunk. 604 Chinese sailors died another 210 captured. On the coalition side, only 2 ships sunk with a loss of 163 seamen.
The destruction of the naval fleet led to wide-spread unrest in China demanding the end to hostilities. The combination of the crushing defeat and the economic downturn due to the crash of the Shanghai market led to large protest and riots in major Chinese Cities, especially in the south.
On the 19th of July, the garrison in Hong Kong was overpowered by the local Hong Kongers and the Hong Konger front, an independence based group, blew up the Shenzen-Hong Kong Bridge and declared Hong Kong and Macau "The Free Republic of Hong Kong and Macau"
On the same day, the Chinese government sent tanks to quell the uprisings in Shanghai and begin to fire on protestors. The protestors responded by burning government buildings. Garrisons were overrun and the people began forming resistance units from the guns in garrisons. Massive defections from the government side begins as many in the army either desert the army or outright rebel against government orders to shoot protestors.
By August 1st, a New government based in Guangzhou declared Independence from Beijing, the Republic of South China. The Republic of China officially changed it's name to the Republic of Taiwan.
Meanwhile, the Tibetians overthrew and chased the Chinese out of Lhasa, the Dala Lama returns to the triumphant applause of Tibetians. In Turkestan, a systematic explusion of the Chinese people began as refugees flee to Gansu.
RSC forces began moving North. This is the frontline on the 1st of January 2012
Both the Chinese and Vietnamese governments attempted to diplomatically resolve the issue in Bangkok but after China's refusal to submit the Paracel Island case to the International Court and issue an apology for starting the battle, the Vietnamese delegation stormed out threatening hostilities. The Paracel War began.
On the 11th of July, Chinese troops crossed into Vietnamese territory only to be repulsed with heavy losses. The Vietnamese counterattacked and succesfully held positions on the Chinese side of the border.
On the 14th of July, a combined delegation of Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines presented to the Chinese Foreign office an ultimatum to cease the disruption of "peace in Eastern Asia" and submit the case to International hearing or face severe repercussions. The Chinese rejected the ultimatum and the next day, on the 15th, the combined delegation, declared war on China in the defense of Vietnam. The Republic of China joined the coalition 5 hours later.
The Shanghai stock market crashed the next day, beginning the 'Great Chinese Depression'.
1st August 2011, 134 kilometres off the coast of Taiwan, the combined fleets of the Coalition of some 34 warships faced the PL Navy of 48 warships. However, due to the air superiority from ROC and Japan and the ability of the Coalition Airplanes to refuel in Taiwan, China suffered a decisive defeat of 24 sunken ships including the maiden voyage of the the Chinese aircraft carrier, the Varyag which was the first ship sunk. 604 Chinese sailors died another 210 captured. On the coalition side, only 2 ships sunk with a loss of 163 seamen.
The destruction of the naval fleet led to wide-spread unrest in China demanding the end to hostilities. The combination of the crushing defeat and the economic downturn due to the crash of the Shanghai market led to large protest and riots in major Chinese Cities, especially in the south.
On the 19th of July, the garrison in Hong Kong was overpowered by the local Hong Kongers and the Hong Konger front, an independence based group, blew up the Shenzen-Hong Kong Bridge and declared Hong Kong and Macau "The Free Republic of Hong Kong and Macau"
On the same day, the Chinese government sent tanks to quell the uprisings in Shanghai and begin to fire on protestors. The protestors responded by burning government buildings. Garrisons were overrun and the people began forming resistance units from the guns in garrisons. Massive defections from the government side begins as many in the army either desert the army or outright rebel against government orders to shoot protestors.
By August 1st, a New government based in Guangzhou declared Independence from Beijing, the Republic of South China. The Republic of China officially changed it's name to the Republic of Taiwan.
Meanwhile, the Tibetians overthrew and chased the Chinese out of Lhasa, the Dala Lama returns to the triumphant applause of Tibetians. In Turkestan, a systematic explusion of the Chinese people began as refugees flee to Gansu.
RSC forces began moving North. This is the frontline on the 1st of January 2012
Moshe Dayan
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Eh, the start isn't that unrealistic, well if we ignore the large numbers of ships present in the initial skirmish. Even two frigates trading blows would be enough to cause serious problems. If either vessel were to sink, then we could almost trust both parties to act all belligerent and stuff. You could then have a few border skirmishes go hot, have the Chinese make a thrust and end up being ground down by the Vietnamese ala 1979. As a result of that, and the need for the PRC to shuttle troops south, you could have a hasty ceasefire be concluded. The material damage to both powers might not be large, probably insignificant. But the diplomatic changes are interesting. Vietnam could orientate itself more towards the United States as a result, giving perhaps a credible basis for some sort of Laos-Cambodian-Vietnam-America axis, aimed at southern China. If the Chinese were percieved to be the aggressors, and if the human cost was greater in Vietnam, or at least percieved to be greater, think ordinance hitting villages live on CNN, then additional regional shifts might be noticeable. It would certainly give Japan cause to look at its military capabilities and perhaps stimulate other countries with contested boundries - including Indonesia - to look at closer ties with the United States. The net result would be to surround China almost wholly with less-than-friendly states.
Second order butterflies, would look at China augmenting its military capabilities and perhaps looking to push elsewhere to assuage domestic opinion. Those would likely fail, or if they did succed might so heavy handed as to alientate its neighbours even further. Be kind of cool if it pushed against South Korea and ended up pissing North Korea off as well, as a result of latent North Korean nationalism and a push for reform from Beijing. That could, I suppose, pave the way for reconciliation, or, at least, so form of amicable relations with the South, as the North looks for a new economic partner. Perhaps pair this with domestic instability in North Korea after a changing of the guard or something. Taiwan is another candidate, and it too could be pushed quite hard, perhaps not to the point of success, but it might push it that little bit more closely towards the States and crucially vice versa, so that we might end up with an explicit iron-clad guarentee of Taiwan by the United States. That would setup the stage for a belligerent China over-extending itself into a full-blown war with the United States. Hell even a proxy war would be significant enough if America blockaded it at distance.
Second order butterflies, would look at China augmenting its military capabilities and perhaps looking to push elsewhere to assuage domestic opinion. Those would likely fail, or if they did succed might so heavy handed as to alientate its neighbours even further. Be kind of cool if it pushed against South Korea and ended up pissing North Korea off as well, as a result of latent North Korean nationalism and a push for reform from Beijing. That could, I suppose, pave the way for reconciliation, or, at least, so form of amicable relations with the South, as the North looks for a new economic partner. Perhaps pair this with domestic instability in North Korea after a changing of the guard or something. Taiwan is another candidate, and it too could be pushed quite hard, perhaps not to the point of success, but it might push it that little bit more closely towards the States and crucially vice versa, so that we might end up with an explicit iron-clad guarentee of Taiwan by the United States. That would setup the stage for a belligerent China over-extending itself into a full-blown war with the United States. Hell even a proxy war would be significant enough if America blockaded it at distance.
aronnax
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*Kiddy mode
But I wanna a large scale revolt in China and foreign invasion!
I wanna wanna wanna wanna wanna!!!
But I wanna a large scale revolt in China and foreign invasion!
I wanna wanna wanna wanna wanna!!!
NedimNapoleon
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I have no idea what I've made
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Accepting that this scenario is ASB ridiculous, why would Britain annex Algeria, instead of South Africa or Nigeria or Kenya (etc)? And why wouldn't France get back there before the Brits?
Because there is no France anymore, and because Britain was feeling lazy. Also, the East African Republic is a dictatorship sponsored by Britain. So there
And care to explain WHAT is ridiculous? You'd think this could happen in, oh, 190 years.
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Well, we have a 2012 AND a 2013 lined up.
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