Alternate History Thread IV: The Sequel

[Nuka-sama]

From a recent Victoria game of mine as the UK...

The Victoria Wars

1837: Victoria becomes Queen of the United Kingdom, Hanover declares itself free from the Union because women cannot inherit under their laws. Belguim and the Netherlands end their civil war, and of the major European powers, only the United Kingdom signs the Treaty of London, which guarantees Belgian indepndence. This is enough to have most major powers back off of Belguim though. Queen Isabella II of Spain makes Spain into a Constitutional Monarchy

1838: Assasination attempt on Victoria ends in failure, however, the Prime Minister is killed. Parliment passes the Reform act of 1838, giving Victoria the powers of Prime Minister untill the Prime Minister is replaced (which does not happen in TTL, giving Victoria the role of practicly an Absolute Monarch). Victoria and her British Empire declare war upon Burma. Elections in the United Kingdom bring the (Liberal) Tories to power

1839: Spain has crisis when supporters of Carlos throw Spain into a state of War. France is about to step in, when Isabella throws herself at Victorias mercy. At first Victoria refuses, but when the colony of Cuba, plus an ally on mainland Europe, is offered, Victoria cannot refuse. Britain steps in, and defeats the rebels. Spain becomes practicly a sattelite state of Britain and would remain that way untill Victorias death.

1840: Burma is annexed after the last major partisan activity is destroyed. Queen Victoria marries Prince Albert. The Ottoman Empire declares war on Greece to regain control of the Balkans.

1841: Britain steps into stop the Ottomans, due to Britain guarenting the independence of Greece. The Ottomans are defeated easily, and in three weeks, Istanbul is in British hands, with the Sultan prisoner. Greece expands, and Britain gains the Greek islands, Crete, and Cyprus.

1842: Hawii suffers a food shortage. Victoria, always a kind person, annexes Hawii. Missionaries and food arrive shortly after. France declares war on Switzerland. Guatemala becomes a free nation.

1843: Russia declares war on Prussia, the Reform act of 1843 gives Victoria the power to not have to follow the Constitution during war time. War is declared upon France nad her ally Egypt. Nicuragua becomes a free nation.

1844: Calais landings, British army smashes through the Holy Land, and capture Jeruselum. French Gueina is captured.

1845: Cario is captured, and Egypt is annexed. France surrenders Calais and her American holdings.

1846: Hatti goes bankrupt. Britain gives Hatti a loan. Russia and Prussia sign a white peace. The Reform Act of 1846 allows Victoria to restage an election.

1847: Hatti is unable to repay loans, Victoria decides that they can repay her with land. Hatti is annexed.

1848: France insults the British ambassodor. Simply to show the world the might of Britain, war is declared upon China.

1849: China surrenders Hong Kong and her other southern provinces.

1850: The people of Hatti ask for unification with the Dominican Republic. Victoria complies, and the Domincan Republic is annexed by Britain.

1851: Prince Albert Dies, Victoria, in her own way of mourning, conquers Dutch Gueina.

(1852-1862 is really boring with various tiny wars and industry building, getting back Prestige, and getting my Navy and Army back up. By 1860, I am the biggest Military and Industrial power, as well as having the highest prestige. France conquers Vietnam and Sardina-Peidmont while I was eating dinner, and 2 Sicilies seems to have conquered the Papal states)

1863: American Civil War begins, Siam annexed by Britain to connect her Asian holdings.

1864-1866: War is declared in favor of the Confederates. The US is conquered, and turned into a satelite. The CSA is also attacked, but I cannot conquer them, so we got a white peace. Victoria starts an idea of a commonwealth. Victoria is crowned as Queen of America, while the United States "elects" a president, which happens to be of Britains Liberal ideology.

1867: United States of Centeral America reunifies.

1868: Canada is released as a sattelite, Victoria crowned Queen of Canada

1869: China annexes Tibet, Great Britain releases Australia as sattelite, Victoria crowned Queen of Australia

1870: Germany unifies, war with France, Calais got in peace settlement.

1871: Victoria is declared Empress of India, after the East India Company loses power and the minor Indian states are conquered.

1872-1900: Pax Victoria, Britain goes through era of peace, alliance with Germany formed. Victoria becomes an Absolute Monarch, daily exersising powers, ends all voting rights. There is a Parliment and Constitution, but it is just for show. Victoria controls every aspect of her empire. 3 new laws are passed, due to Victorias saying of "Loyalty, Work, Church" which makes it illegal to have Public Meatings, free press, or saying something bad about the Queen, to be unemployed, and a special tax is put on all non Protestants. Victoria also becomes Queen of Spain who has conquered Portugal

1901 The Antwerp Crisis occurs when Victoria is attacked in her visit to the city to the funeral of the Belgian King. Victoria is crowned Queen of Belguim.

1914-1918 is the biggest of Victorias wars, when France, Austria, and Russia duke it out with Germany, Slavia Britain, and the British Dominions of the USA, Canada, Australia, and Belguim. Britain is blockaded, and untill 1916 when Germany captures the entire northern coast of France is Britain able to help. Paris is captured, and the French Coalition surrenders. Yugoslavia is formed, Germany gets Poland, and Britain gets Vietnam.

1920: Saddest day in history, as Her Imperial Majesty, Queen of Britain, Empress of India, Queen of Belguim, and Queen of Spain, Victoria passes away. New kings of Belguim, Spain and Britain herself are crowned.

This doesn't sound very realistic, but a) it was a video game, and b) seemed like a good Nes idea

 

[Kal'thzar]

paradox is fun for creating new situations is it not

 

[Demetrias]

I just want to say I am in awe of your power. I play as Germany all the time and can never get anything out of that bastard Russia. I conquer half of hi country and he still wont give me Poland. Though One game I did get half of France but didn't have the Lowlands so didn't know what to do with it.

 

[Nuka-sama]

I thought it was a very cool alternate history, and I wanted to know if anyone would play that in a Nes

 

[Nuka-sama]

I just want to say I am in awe of your power. I play as Germany all the time and can never get anything out of that bastard Russia. I conquer half of hi country and he still wont give me Poland. Though One game I did get half of France but didn't have the Lowlands so didn't know what to do with it.

Thanks

You don't usually get good peaces with civilized nations. I controled all of mainland France, and all I got was a few provinces (2 in Vietnam, and 1 or 2 in America), I also did it earlier (war against Egypt), and I only got Calais

 

[Demetrias]

I could get stuff out of France just not Russia. It was easier to completely wipe out the French army. That always got me what ever I wanted. But I never Conquered the stuff between us so after the first couple games with random chunks of France I would instead ask for war indemnities which were really cool from France. The other thing I tried was conquering Austria but it was to big to get all of it. I always hoped Hungary would revolt but it would never happen.

 

[Nuka-sama]

I have actually never had a game where Hungary revolts. You got to do it a little at a time.

Back on topic, anyone intrested in playing a Nes like this?

 

[Demetrias]

It is listed on the official website as something that will trigger or allowed to be triggered a liberal unification of Germany with Austria in 1850.

And sure I would love to play a Victorian Era Nes but it will be kind of bad if we all kill Germany to stop him from Unifying.

 

[Nuka-sama]

We would be starting in 1920 when her son, King Edward VII came to the throne.

Although if people would rather start with 1837 that would be fine

 

[Demetrias]

Would 1920 just be another world war 2 nes? I think a Victorian Era one would be new and refreshing.

 

[Luckymoose]

I once made Germany stretch from Denmark-Italy-Poland and parts of Russia-Ukraine-Balkans. 5 million troops. I was unstoppable, but my biggest rivals America and Russia had 3 million soldiers each and the large scale trenches would make any war long and hard so I stayed at peace for the last 20 years.

 

[Demetrias]

Was this in Vicky?

 

[Demetrias]

I always took all of Denmark usually using the first war as an excuse to take their islands and then in the second to get most of Jutland and the Third to make it mine.

 

[Luckymoose]

Was this in Vicky?

Yes. I was at near constant war, with the occasional one year build up break. The entire 100 years. Revolutions Expansion. Started as Prussia. I would like to try a Super European State with Denmark or Ottomans one day.

 

[Nuka-sama]

Would 1920 just be another world war 2 nes? I think a Victorian Era one would be new and refreshing.

Not nessecarily, although if people would prefer a Victoria age than a alt hist, then that would be fine

 

[Luckymoose]

1861. I know what American Faction I wish to be.

 

[Kal'thzar]

as a another suggestion, something I thought as quite intresting was when I played Crusader Kings as the Ducy of Athens.

first move was to gain peace with the seljuk turks, which was done. Thus Byzantium did not crumble under a wall of yellow.

Next move was to take Sicily, right from under the noses of the Duchy of Apulia (oh, thanks for beseiging all those provinces, oh here I come with my duke, wait I guess that means I know control the siege since I outrank you all! oh look the province is now mine, where to next ye catholics?)

Then a slow attritional war with the Duchy as I attempted to gain the rest of Sicily. During this time The Fatamids vanished as a power, I.e. Venice took an army and captured Egypt, and the place was majority catholic (!), the Sejeluks had quite literally fallen to bits, An Emirate of Mosul and so and so forth had all broken off, leaving the turks with only souther Persia and Iraq areas.

At one Point Byzantium inherited all the Russian Minors, which thankfully didn't last lone, rebellions and the cumans began to conquor them.

By this point I declared myself King of Naples. And set about waiting a bit more. The Spainish factions had been wiped off the map and Germany was beginning to go through a cycle of rebellions. Byzantium conquered Tripoli to Tunis. And not to be outdone (it is after all my backyard) I conquored the rest of North Africa from Tunis to the Canaries. Which began a slow and painfull process of conversion and periodic rebellion each time a King died (Grumble).

At this Point I nearly had a heart attack as England Inherited France. Eire and wales also had the good luck of actually forming into Kingdoms (shock, Horror!). Eire was however devestated when the Emirate of Seville came and too half their lands, and Seville then went on to attack northen italy when it had rebelled from the germans (so they were at war with the germans, and when conquored went directly to seville...a bit irritating I know). At this point I conquored Rome and Central Italy. (Funnily it was quite easy to convert rome to the Orthodox faith ). The Pope then took up residence in Cologne.

I then Planned a large assualt to take out Seville, who was at war with pretty much all of Europe except england whos southern Vassals all rebelled (and pretty much managed to keep England off them). So I ended up taking Italy. And then Though what the hey I'll take Granada off them too, so I did.

The the Sejluk's took over half of Egypt with another Islamic kingdom taking the rest, killing of Venice (as I had taken that province).

I continued to conquor spain, and by the end of it Spain was northen Spainish central Islam and lower Orthodox. The Islamics and Catholics being fairly equal Orthodox outnumbering both. Southern Italy had become mostly Greek as well as half of Northen Italy (central Italy being stubbern *grumble*).


Two last major events. Byzantium pretty much exploded, letting me take Morea, and destroying byzantium as a power. And the Mongols invaded, and were defeated in the space of a Decade. (the Sejluks scare me after that!, although the Cumans dealt with the Goldon Horde faction I don't think they gained a province whilst the Ihl Khanate took several before dying off...)

Fun scenario? Half of Europe is Orthodox, the other half Catholic. Turkey is majority Orthodox/Christian and the rest of the ME is Islam, Egypt being half catholic half Islamic.

Most of Russia is under the control of pagans, although of course they have a lot of Orthodox provinces (heck they even have two Jewish provinces!). Norway is gobbleing up Sweden, and Lorraine keeps managing to kick the Germans ass so is independent, as is Burgundy.

Of course Naples owns a superpower and England is the next most powerfull one. I have been holding it together with force and a lot of bribes. so its going to blow apart, I can hold Italy/greece quite well, but North africa and Spain will likly rebel soon (even if I hold the King Title. Thus for a NES I'd probably make them independent after say another 40 or so years (letting it settle down or some such).

Quick question though. what would such a rapid destruction of the Mongol hordes armies entail? it being the major point of contact between the two areas.

 

[Luckymoose]

I once took the Duchy of Orkey and was King of England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Leon and Portugal. Only to lose it all when all the direct heirs died and a brother inherited the throne. Making the kingdom split up and setting me back to just King of lowsey old France.

 

[das]

Just as I was thinking of reviving this thread, too.

[wiki]Hatti[/wiki] goes bankrupt.

Hilarious misspelling. Wiki link added for better comprehension of the sheer scale of the mistake.

I thought it was a very cool alternate history, and I wanted to know if anyone would play that in a Nes

EQ's NES based on a similar premise was pretty good. Still, as it is it sounds a bit bland - care to shed more light on the state of the rest of the world?

paradox is fun for creating new situations is it not

Certainly; sometimes I run hands-off games just for the sake of gathering interesting ideas to implement one day, in a more realistic form and when genuinely possible of course. One peculiar element that keeps coming up is that in at least a half of those hands-off games, Britain winds up under an Anarcho-Liberal Presidential Dictatorship. It usually declines in power somewhat (as compared to those games where it remains a Constitutional Monarchy), and rebels are constantly running amok everywhere. The United Dictatorship also tends to bog down in decades-long wars with Sokoto.

I once made Germany stretch from Denmark-Italy-Poland and parts of Russia-Ukraine-Balkans. 5 million troops. I was unstoppable, but my biggest rivals America and Russia had 3 million soldiers each and the large scale trenches would make any war long and hard so I stayed at peace for the last 20 years.

Ah, but did you conquer the entirety of the Austrian Empire (bit-by-bit, ofcourse)? My Germany was utterly unstoppable; towards the end I reveled in launching unfeasible reforms, starting a war with my armies in the other corner of the country and making sure to maximise the body count for both sides, because things had gotten very easy and I got mad with power as usual.

My favourite game, though, was with Russia. I tried very hard to prevent Germany's ascent after a certain point; my Seven Years War alliance (that's a France-Austria-Russia-sometimes Sweden combination) had pounded Prussia twice, but by the third war they managed to build up a trully powerful military that humbled us all and led to the creation of Germany. Meanwhile my relations with European countries had been ruined by landgrabbing elsewhere and such, and the alliance system fell apart. So I turned east and conquered the entirety of China, Taiwan and all. The partisans were very annoying, with constant massive uprisings in every province, but my elite modernised army managed to put them down in blood. It was all worth it for the final game statistics. I even wrote down them down on a piece of paper, but can't seem to find it right now; let's just say that the Russian Empire-1936 was the largest in both area and population. When the Germans tried to invade me again they faced both my elite battle-hardened army (though much of it had to remain in China to keep peace) and hordes of newly-recruited, well-armed Chinamen.

Quick question though. what would such a rapid destruction of the Mongol hordes armies entail? it being the major point of contact between the two areas.

Two options: either they strike back or they fall into infighting even earlier. The latter fits in more, doesn't it? This might actually lead to a more stable Mongol Empire in the long-term, with the Yuan Empire in indisputable hegemony while it lasts, and the Mongol tribes stretched less thin (so they might remain an actual presence in western Central Asia). Not that the western khans posed much of a threat to the Yuan militarily, but still.

I'm quite curious as to those Cumans. Did they actually conquer all of Russia?

 

[Luckymoose]

Ah, but did you conquer the entirety of the Austrian Empire (bit-by-bit, ofcourse)? My Germany was utterly unstoppable; towards the end I reveled in launching unfeasible reforms, starting a war with my armies in the other corner of the country and making sure to maximise the body count for both sides, because things had gotten very easy and I got mad with power as usual.

Austria was my first target. I stepped in to help Hungary at some point and then turned on them both. After calming the population down I managed to make enough troops to hold off a more powerful Russian-Italian Alliance. Followed by my annexation of the eastern half of Italy and the subsequent campaigns against the Ottomans. I feel sorry for the Ottomans in that game. They ended up with only 3 provinces. Istanbul and two of those closest to it on the Balkans side. Anatolia fell to the Russians. I don't know why they did it but I have a crazy suspicion the game was trying to stop me from going into the Middle East. I bought my way into an Alliance with France when the UK started a colonial war with me. They ended up being a dictatorship after war weariness caught up to them. Scotland and Ireland broke off. I sat back and watched as France took nearly all of Africa only to be invaded by America and lose a majority of it to them. I then took some of the extras from the released nations and made a super Zanzibar puppet. Japan during all this had taken Southeast Asia, Korea and Mongolia/Manchuria. China was a puppet. Mysore ruled half of India with a few speckled British colonies. Gran-Columbia and Brazil were the only two South American Countries. It was quite epic.