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Why can't they stream in a way that lets you back up to the start?
I am not sure but they all seem to do this during the livestream. It should be up in entirety today or tomorrow on YouTube.

and that Obama most certainly did not pick him to appeal to Black voters but to assuage the fears of white racists.
Nah, I think Obama picked him because they genuinely hit it off and he knew they'd work well together.
Apparently Klobucher was trending the most after this debate.

Biden probably needs to go away.
Biden had a ton of stupid gaffes last night, as usual. Gabbard came off as offering nothing but piss and vinegar attacks on the other candidates and most of them fell flat. When she went after Pete in particular it was a bad look for her as he just deflected it effortlessly.
 
Nah, I think Obama picked him because they genuinely hit it off and he knew they'd work well together.

No. It is well-known that Obama chose Biden because Biden was kinda racist and Obama wanted to assuage the whites who were kinda racist.
 
No. It is well-known that Obama chose Biden because Biden was kinda racist and Obama wanted to assuage the whites who were kinda racist.
I think that is too harsh. It's probably more accurate to say that Obama had a genuine concern that him being a young black guy was going to make a non-negligible amount of white voters leery, one, because there was zero familiarity/experience with having a black President, so very low comfort factor with it, two, he was a new face in general, being a junior Senator, three, because he was just so young, and four, because the Republicans had engaged in such over-the-top fearmongering involving those factors in addition to calling him a socialist, communist, Muslim, foreigner, and anything else they though would scare white voters from voting for him.

So he needed to add some comfort food to his ticket... and what's more comforting than an old, white, career politician, to make people feel like someone they can trust will be "keeping an eye on things"? So... racism... OK... but there was more to it than just that.
 
I think that is too harsh.

I don't think it is too harsh, though it may be a bit one-dimensional. But remember, Biden was a leading campaigner in the 1970s against desegregation busing and has reminisced about the good old days of bipartisan comity with segregationists.
 
has reminisced about the good old days of bipartisan comity with segregationists.
I mean, I'd rather my representative work with segregationist on things they agree on than stonewall them out of principal. I feel like Gingrich kicked off the tradition of not working with the other side on most issues and it's hurt the country as a whole. Someone had a cool gif yesterday on r/dataisbeautiful that showed the number of connections between Congressional members as defined by how often they voted together. There was always two clear camps (left and right) but through the years there was still a lot of cross-party voting. Then Gingrich took over the House and the two sides split nearly completely. It's like the current theory of government is that your side can only 'win' on issues if the other side 'loses'. It's destructive.
 
I mean, I'd rather my representative work with segregationist on things they agree on than stonewall them out of principal.


There is a good article in the Atlantic about why this is wrong:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/adam-serwer-civility/600784/

Paeans to a more civil past also ignore the price of that civility. It’s not an unfortunate coincidence that the men Joe Biden worked with so amicably were segregationists. The civility he longs for was the result of excluding historically marginalized groups from the polity, which allowed men like James Eastland to wield tremendous power in Congress without regard for the rights or dignity of their disenfranchised constituents.

The true cause of American political discord is the lingering resistance of those who have traditionally held power to sharing it with those who until recently have only experienced its serrated edge. And the resistance does linger. Just this fall, a current Democratic senator from Delaware, Chris Coons, told a panel at the University of Notre Dame Law School that he hoped “a more diverse Senate that includes women’s voices, and voices of people of color, and voices of people who were not professionals but, you know, who grew up working-class” would not produce “irreconcilable discord.”

In his “Letter From Birmingham Jail,” Martin Luther King Jr. famously lamented the “white moderate” who “prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.” He also acknowledged the importance of tension to achieving justice. “I have earnestly opposed violent tension,” King wrote, “but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth.” Americans should not fear that form of tension. They should fear its absence.

I feel like Gingrich kicked off the tradition of not working with the other side on most issues and it's hurt the country as a whole. Someone had a cool gif yesterday on r/dataisbeautiful that showed the number of connections between Congressional members as defined by how often they voted together. There was always two clear camps (left and right) but through the years there was still a lot of cross-party voting. Then Gingrich took over the House and the two sides split nearly completely. It's like the current theory of government is that your side can only 'win' on issues if the other side 'loses'. It's destructive.

I'm sorry, but the fact is that everything the Republicans want is evil and we - meaning, the American people, not Democrats - can only win if they lose.
 
Actual quote from Joe Biden. He really said this :lol:

No man has a right to raise a hand to a women in anger other than in self-defense and that rarely ever occurs. And so we have to just change the culture period. And keep punching at it and punching at it and punching at it.
 
I still like Yang!
 
Actual quote from Joe Biden. He really said this :lol:
Sometimes I see people like Biden or Pelosi or some of the other "respectable" politicians speak and I realize they're not much smarter than Trump. He just sounds dumber because his vocabulary is more simplistic and less eloquent. Boorish even.
 
Sometimes I see people like Biden or Pelosi or some of the other "respectable" politicians speak and I realize they're not much smarter than Trump. He just sounds dumber because his vocabulary is more simplistic and less eloquent. Boorish even.

Nah, Pelosi is quite smart. Otoh I'm quite sure Biden is just as dumb as Trump.
 
So why do you think MSNBC didn't ask Warren directly about her flip-flopping on Medicare for all? Why not ask Butty about his lies and deceit to the black community in his Douglass plan debacle?
 
So why do you think MSNBC didn't ask Warren directly about her flip-flopping on Medicare for all?

Flip-flopping is a sort of uncharitable interpretation

Why not ask Butty about his lies and deceit to the black community in his Douglass plan debacle?

This is a good question.
 
It was a different time, go back another 10 years and you have southern Democrats.

Both sides gave argueably list since 1992 post Gingrich.

There are long form stories about how Gingrich and the post cold war republicans have sunk political discord in the US to new depths not seen since pre WW2 days at least. They are pretty convincing he was/is a sniveling horsehocky.
 

Obama was attacked by Republicans for saying he'd meet with anyone to further our goals, including Syria. Gabbard does it and Buttigieg and Kamala attack her.
 
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At any rate I suppose she isn't actually in any way going to be in the main contenders, so it won't matter. Good that she took the Biden out, though.
I just want to say that I am glad you were right about her and I was wrong.
 
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