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Are You Going to Watch the Debates?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Paul in Saudi, Jun 26, 2019.

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Will You Watch?

  1. No

  2. Yes, Live

  3. Yes, afterwards

  4. I will wait for Jimmy Kimmel to tell me what happened.

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  1. hobbsyoyo

    hobbsyoyo Deity

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    I am not sure but they all seem to do this during the livestream. It should be up in entirety today or tomorrow on YouTube.

    Nah, I think Obama picked him because they genuinely hit it off and he knew they'd work well together.
    Biden had a ton of stupid gaffes last night, as usual. Gabbard came off as offering nothing but piss and vinegar attacks on the other candidates and most of them fell flat. When she went after Pete in particular it was a bad look for her as he just deflected it effortlessly.
     
  2. Lexicus

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    No. It is well-known that Obama chose Biden because Biden was kinda racist and Obama wanted to assuage the whites who were kinda racist.
     
  3. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    I think that is too harsh. It's probably more accurate to say that Obama had a genuine concern that him being a young black guy was going to make a non-negligible amount of white voters leery, one, because there was zero familiarity/experience with having a black President, so very low comfort factor with it, two, he was a new face in general, being a junior Senator, three, because he was just so young, and four, because the Republicans had engaged in such over-the-top fearmongering involving those factors in addition to calling him a socialist, communist, Muslim, foreigner, and anything else they though would scare white voters from voting for him.

    So he needed to add some comfort food to his ticket... and what's more comforting than an old, white, career politician, to make people feel like someone they can trust will be "keeping an eye on things"? So... racism... OK... but there was more to it than just that.
     
  4. Lexicus

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    I don't think it is too harsh, though it may be a bit one-dimensional. But remember, Biden was a leading campaigner in the 1970s against desegregation busing and has reminisced about the good old days of bipartisan comity with segregationists.
     
  5. hobbsyoyo

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    I mean, I'd rather my representative work with segregationist on things they agree on than stonewall them out of principal. I feel like Gingrich kicked off the tradition of not working with the other side on most issues and it's hurt the country as a whole. Someone had a cool gif yesterday on r/dataisbeautiful that showed the number of connections between Congressional members as defined by how often they voted together. There was always two clear camps (left and right) but through the years there was still a lot of cross-party voting. Then Gingrich took over the House and the two sides split nearly completely. It's like the current theory of government is that your side can only 'win' on issues if the other side 'loses'. It's destructive.
     
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  6. Lexicus

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    There is a good article in the Atlantic about why this is wrong:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/adam-serwer-civility/600784/

    I'm sorry, but the fact is that everything the Republicans want is evil and we - meaning, the American people, not Democrats - can only win if they lose.
     
  7. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Actual quote from Joe Biden. He really said this :lol:

     
  8. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    I still like Yang!
     
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  9. Socrates99

    Socrates99 Bottoms up!

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    Sometimes I see people like Biden or Pelosi or some of the other "respectable" politicians speak and I realize they're not much smarter than Trump. He just sounds dumber because his vocabulary is more simplistic and less eloquent. Boorish even.
     
  10. Lexicus

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    Nah, Pelosi is quite smart. Otoh I'm quite sure Biden is just as dumb as Trump.
     
  11. Socrates99

    Socrates99 Bottoms up!

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    Maybe she's just a terrible public speaker?
     
  12. Lexicus

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    *shrug* Can't say I've seen her speak much.
     
  13. Zardnaar

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    It was a different time, go back another 10 years and you have southern Democrats.

    Both sides gave argueably list since 1992 post Gingrich.
     
  14. Ironsided

    Ironsided Flower of happiness

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    So why do you think MSNBC didn't ask Warren directly about her flip-flopping on Medicare for all? Why not ask Butty about his lies and deceit to the black community in his Douglass plan debacle?
     
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  15. Lexicus

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    Flip-flopping is a sort of uncharitable interpretation

    This is a good question.
     
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    Or bring up the "I'm not asking for your vote" line which is going to sink him at some point once its a campaign ad. Its so damning.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayor-...ives-matter-confront-2020-democratic-hopeful/
     
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    There are long form stories about how Gingrich and the post cold war republicans have sunk political discord in the US to new depths not seen since pre WW2 days at least. They are pretty convincing he was/is a sniveling ****.
     
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    Obama was attacked by Republicans for saying he'd meet with anyone to further our goals, including Syria. Gabbard does it and Buttigieg and Kamala attack her.
     
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  19. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    I stumbled on to this going down the YouTube rabbit-hole... I'll just drop this here... enjoy CFC pals:

     
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    I just want to say that I am glad you were right about her and I was wrong.
     
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